Was Mary Really Sinless (Luke 1:47)

[Lazerlike42]

It’s also worth noting that Mary probably didn’t know she was without sin (unless this is a teaching I am unaware of).

In other words, if I was born immune to poison but nobody ever told me, I’d stay away from poison.

 

[pipoluojo]

You could as well ask if Jesus was sinless, because he answered that nobody was good except God, or that he caned those selling in the temple, etc. We should bear in mind that the salvific mission of Jesus before he had died and resurrected was actually convincing to only very few. Not even all his chosen 12 believed totally in him. If you really believe that Jesus (who was without sin but was made into sin as St. Paul writes) is sinless, it won’ t take you long to believe that Mary, the ark of the Covenant too is sinless no matter how humbly she rates herself, being indeed a daughter of the Father.

 

[kim_wilson]

I’ll reply in Virgin Mary Blue.

As a former S. Baptist who now basks in the light of Christ’s true Church, the answer is quite simple. The Catholic Church, whom Christ said that the gates of hell cannot prevail against, says Mary is sinless and the Church speaks for God. Case closed.

 

[jimmy]

(Luk 1:47 DRB) And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

As you can see, in Luke 1:47, Mary refers to her Savior. If she was sinless then why would she need a savior?

LazerLike42 answered it in his post. The Immaculate Conception refers to the filling with grace that Mary recieved at her conception. All grace proceeds from the cross of Christ. Without Christ’s sacrifice, she could not recieve grace.

 

[PaulDupre]

blackfish152:

thus this suggests if Our Blessed Mother, had no sin, she would not be commiting a sin by omitting the sin offering of doves at the presentation in the temple.

this is tough to work out.

God bless.

m

We would do well to remember that the sin offering was made, not only for one’s own sins, but for the sins of all Israel as well. So even a sinless person would be performing a valid sin offering.

(Thanks to Dennis Prager’s “The Torah Verse by Verse” study course for this info.)

God bless,
Paul

 

[Zooey]

blackfish152:

This is interesting and relevant, when teaching his disciples to pray, after they requested his help, (Lk11-1), Christ tells them,

when you pray say… Our father…

He did not pray it as his prayer, but told them to say it. Thus he basically did not ask God to “forgive him his trespasses” coz he had none.

Wonder if he had some genious way of avoiding acknowledging guilt of sin in the atonement sacrifice you talked of ? i am willing to bet he did.

On furthur reflection for another 5 minutes from my last post, I think that Even as a good jew, who"came to fulfil the law and not remove it" Christ would not be breaking the levitical law, by not making a sin offering, for the simple reason he had not sin.

thus this suggests if Our Blessed Mother, had no sin, she would not be commiting a sin by omitting the sin offering of doves at the presentation in the temple.

this is tough to work out.

God bless.

m

This just hit me now, when I read this…Yes, it would have been a sin. It would have caused scandal.
Christ had not sinned; Mary had no sin to atone for, BUT: people didn’t know that!! If they had not followed the letter of the Levetical law, others would have been shocked & scandalized.
Unless they made the sin offerings, they could very well have led others to sin,by not following the law. They would have been seen as setting a horrible example. They would have set a bad example. Because, for sure, nobody else was aware that they were any other than ordinary Jews.

 

[E.E.N.S]

(Objection: The Bible says “None is righteous, no, not one: and no one does good, not even one.”)

1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

This verse is referring to Zechariah & Elizabeth as being righteous. The verse quoted as “None is righteous & no one does good,” is taken clearly out of context. This verse from Romans 3:10-12 is quoted from Psalms 14:1-4. In Psalm 14 the Psalmist is talking about two types of people, the wicked who eat up God’s people and then, in verse 5, the generation of the righteous. Also look at Lk 2:25, 5:32, 15:7, 23:50; Rom 5:19; Heb 10:37-38; Gen 6:9, 7:1, 38:26.