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Reuben_J
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Was Mohammad an equivalent to Islam?
Were his actions then for all Muslims to follow?
Were his actions then for all Muslims to follow?
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dronald
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The answer to this question is a simple, “yes.”
Muslims will justify any action of Muhammad basing every evil deed and hateful word on historical context.
Although, I don’t agree that men in other countries should be allowed to marry 7 year olds frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/afghan-mullah-marries-kills-8-year-old-girl-on-wedding-night/ It’s certainly cool in Islamic countries!
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Celtic_Maiden
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Kaaba & the Black Stone
They do prostrate in front of the Kaaba or the Black Stone in Mecca one only has to look at it on Google and everyone prostrating around it , its meant to be a Meteorite that fell in the 4th Century and this is well documented, the Moslem religion was not made up for another 300 years after this Stone fell. The tell us Catholics we kneel in front of Statues, we don’t pray to Statues it only makes us think of the Lord our Our Lady and the Saints, it brings the mind and the heart towards the Lord, I advise all to look at the massive prostrations done before the Black stone.:bowdown:
Let not the kettle call the pot black.
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dronald
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Well for the sake of staying on topic, this is another example of Muhammad being a perfect example. Some of Muhammad’s followers would have never kissed the black stone because it was just a stone. The only reason they kissed it was because they saw Muhammad doing it.Kaaba & the Black Stone
They do prostrate in front of the Kaaba or the Black Stone in Mecca one only has to look at it on Google and everyone prostrating around it , its meant to be a Meteorite that fell in the 4th Century and this is well documented, the Moslem religion was not made up for another 300 years after this Stone fell. The tell us Catholics we kneel in front of Statues, we don’t pray to Statues it only makes us think of the Lord our Our Lady and the Saints, it brings the mind and the heart towards the Lord, I advise all to look at the massive prostrations done before the Black stone.:bowdown:
Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:
‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, “No doubt, I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667)
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
“Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it and said, ‘There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.’ ‘Umar added, ‘(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).’” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675)
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
“I saw ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) ‘Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you, (stone) I WOULD NOT HAVE KISSED YOU.’” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 679)
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buffalo
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He was a warlord.
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MartinJordan
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I think it depends if he was the first Muslim?
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LogicPlease
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the answer is simply : yes
but to be more specified muslims follow his way of life , his daily life thay call it sunna now of course this doesn’t include marriage of about 11-13 wives because most of his marriages were not based on love or sexual desires but of political effects (like Maymouna whose tribe sided with the muslims not Kuraych after marrige) and not his military career . a muslim ofc can join the army of his country and become a general but that must not be with the intention of following the prophet. that , among other things. they also female muslims follow they way of life of his wives not Mohammed’s
but to be more specified muslims follow his way of life , his daily life thay call it sunna now of course this doesn’t include marriage of about 11-13 wives because most of his marriages were not based on love or sexual desires but of political effects (like Maymouna whose tribe sided with the muslims not Kuraych after marrige) and not his military career . a muslim ofc can join the army of his country and become a general but that must not be with the intention of following the prophet. that , among other things. they also female muslims follow they way of life of his wives not Mohammed’s
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jakasaki
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Hi ya Reuben - I’m not quite clear as to your first question…
But your second one is very clear.
Here is what the Islamic book has to say regarding this:
“Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ‘If you (really) love Allah, **then follow me **(i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur’an and the sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins’.” [Al-Qur’an 3:31]
“Follow what has been sent down unto you from your Lord (the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad’s sunnah), and follow not any awliya’ (protectors and helpers who order you to associate partners in worship with Allah), besides Him (Allah). Little do you remember!”
[Al-Qur’an 7:3]
“**And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, **and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path.”
[Al-Qur’an 6:153]
Here are some other tidits:
The Prophet (saas) (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to teach the Sunnah to his companions in word and deed**, and urged them to follow it**, as he said in his hadeeth:
“**Adhere to my Sunnah” **and “Whoever neglects my Sunnah does not belong to me.”
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allaah (saas) (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“There is no Prophet whom Allaah sent to any nation before me, but he had disciples from among his nation, and companions who followed his Sunnah and obeyed his commands.” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 71).
Some aspects of the Sunnah are waajib (obligatory) and some are mustahabb (encouraged).
Th**e Muslim should follow the Sunnah of the Prophet **(saas) (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), whether it is waajib or mustahabb, as long as it is proven in sound reports.
The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) used to spread the Sunnah of the Prophet (saas) (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) among people** and they called people to follow it.**
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jakasaki
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I’d like to comment on the above hadith - only because it bugs me…
I states that Mohammad said… " there is NO prophet whom Allah sent to any nation before me…"
Islamic books state that Allah had sent 124,000 prophets to the world. How could Mohammad make the claim which I stated above…???
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jakasaki
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Sahih InternationalI think it depends if he was the first Muslim?
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No partner has He. And this I have been commanded, and I am the first [among you] of the Muslims.
quran.com/6/163
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Sahih International
And I have been commanded to be the first [among you] of the Muslims."
quran.com/39/12
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dronald
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I’m confused… Doesn’t this go against the belief that all Prophets of Islam were actually Muslims or am I reading this wrong…
Surah 3:52 but when Jesus felt persistence in disbelief from among them he said, “who are my supporters for the cause of Allah?” The disciples said, “we are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims.”
Surah 5:111 And remember when I inspired to the disciples, “believe in me and my messenger Jesus” They said "we have believed, so bear witness that we are indeed Muslims.
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jakasaki
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Yup - yup - and YUP…!!!
It is confussing, isn’t it.
Muslims also claim that Adam was the first muslim.
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MartinJordan
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That is why I put a question mark. In my conversations with Muslims they insist Adam and Abraham were Muslims. If so then why is Jesus a prophet of Islam when Muslims (I can name one Muslim CAF member) who makes allegations that Christians were aggressors after Christianity became an official religion.Yup - yup - and YUP…!!!
It is confussing, isn’t it.
Muslims also claim that Adam was the first muslim.
Is there ANY such early Islamic writings that even attest to its claims about Christians otherwise calling Jesus a Muslim is only conjecture…a man made concoction.
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dronald
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Actually, let me post an interesting passage in the Qur’an that goes along with what you’re saying here:That is why I put a question mark. In my conversations with Muslims they insist Adam and Abraham were Muslims. If so then why is Jesus a prophet of Islam when Muslims (I can name one Muslim CAF member) who makes allegations that Christians were aggressors after Christianity became an official religion.
Is there ANY such early Islamic writings that even attest to its claims about Christians otherwise calling Jesus a Muslim is only conjecture…a man made concoction.
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Surah 61:14 O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary said to the disciples, “Who are my supporters for Allah?” The disciples said, “We are supporters of Allah.” And a faction of the children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So we supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant.
It’s interesting to note that the Qur’an says the believers in Jesus became dominant; not the disbelievers. Who were these believers and where is the historical proof that they became dominant? If the believers really were Muslims that became dominant then we should know about them.
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MartinJordan
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Absolutely what I was getting at without even knowing that part of the Qur’an. Thanks for the heads up
Until there is early Islamic proof on historical matters about the start/nascent Christianity ( which we have and they still fail to produce) which includes NT scripture matters that present Muslims love to quote,. Prove that Adam Abraham Isaac Moses and Jesus etc were Muslims from Islamic sources.
Otherwise I’m afraid I have to say Mohammed was the first Muslim
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drac16
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Yes, but not only is he a role model for muslims, he’s a role model for all; that’s why the Qur’an calls him a mercy to all of mankind.
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MartinJordan
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And what did Mohammed call himself? Did he say he was the mercy to all mankind?
Can you also clarify the meaning of mercy to all mankind. Thanks in advance.
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drac16
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Good questions.
I don’t know if he used those exact words to describe himself, but he did live in obediance to the Qur’anic teaching, so yes, he did believe he was a mercy to all of mankind, as surah 21:107 says “We sent thee not, but as a mercy for all creatures”. Now the word ‘alameen’, which Abdullah Yusuf Ali translates as ‘creatures’, has a few different meanings, like worlds, universe, mankind, etc. I’ve even seen one brother interpret this verse to mean that Muhammad [peace be upon him] is a mercy to all that exists (animals, plants, angels, etc).
In Sahih al-Bukhari, which is a book of oral traditions of the sunni branch, the prophet is reported to have said “I have five names, I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am al-Mahi [the eraser by whom Allah erases blasphemy] I am al-Hashir [whom people will be assembled after] and I am al-Aqib [the last of all prophets]”.
The term “mercy to all of mankind” means that he was not a teacher sent to only the arabs, but rather, his example and his book of revelation [the Qur’an] is meant for all times and peoples to follow. We muslims are convinced that he is the best role model not just for muslims, but for all people. We seek to emulate him in our day-to-day lives.
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MartinJordan
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Who is “We”? I was under the impression that the Quran was written by Mohammed when angel Gabriel visited him in the cave. I always get confused when the word “We” shows up.
What does it mean by** reported** to have said? I hope I don’t sound like a interrogator
OIC. Thanks.
As it is clear this view is not compatible with the Christian message (700 years earlier) which states Jesus is the Prince of Peace, who is also Son of God (2nd person of God) . Who already spoke how how we should be merciful ie Beatitudes.
When it is said all people, I would assume it to mean all languages. So why several Muslims say that the Quran must be read in Arabic? Not all people can read Arabic right?
Besides Jesus instructed his Apostles and their successors to spread the Good News of God’s Mercy to the whole world already 700 years before.
MJ
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