Was Mohammed a Prophet of God?

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Reading this makes me laugh, mohhamad is showing clear signs of mental disorder, if only he had of lived in this day and age we could have given him the psychiatric and medical help he needed.
Instead what did the geniuses of a thousand years ago do, they turned him into a prophet. lol.
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Mohammad or the one that is copying and posting and the ones that believe without finding out the truth??? Amazing even the ones that did worship idols there, the Quraysh, they highly respected him and was known as the trustworthy one and he did not follow their steps in idol worship.

you can continue to BASH yet again, isn’t anything new since you love to so much…doesn’t show christian love, it shows nastiness and hatefulness and meanness…nice example you are following…did your God teach you to act like animals???

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Americanrevert said:
Mohammad or the one that is copying and posting and the ones that believe without finding out the truth??? Amazing even the ones that did worship idols there, the Quraysh, they highly respected him and was known as the trustworthy one and he did not follow their steps in idol worship.
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Mohammad’s scribes disagree with you about his not being a follower of Meccan paganism:

Surah 93:6-8
Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ? **Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?**Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?

This verse means Mohammad had been astray before God supposedly directed him to the true path.

Surah 42:52
And thus have We inspired in thee (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. Thou knewest not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen.

The above verse rebuts the Islamic allegation that Mohammad had been a follower of Abrahamic monotheism in the pre-Islamic era.

Besides, Mohammad’s folk supposedly praised him long before he claimed to be a messenger. When Mohammad wanted to destroy paganism, his folk called him a liar and a lunatic poet.
 
inJESUS said:
Ismail b. Abu Hakim, a freedman of the family of al-Zubayr, told me on Khadija's authority that she said to the apostle of God, 'O son of my uncle, are you able to tell me about your visitant, when he comes to you?" He replied that he could, and she asked him to tell her when he came. So when Gabriel came to him, as he was wont, the apostle said to Khadija, 'This is Gabriel who has just come to me.' Get up, O son of my uncle,’ she said, and sit by my left thigh.' The apostle did so, and she said, Can you see him?’ Yes,' he said. She said, Then turn around and sit on my right thigh.’ He did so, and she said, Can you see him?' When he said that he could she asked him to move and sit in her lap. When he had done this she again asked if he could see him, and when he said yes, **she disclosed her form and cast aside her veil **while the apostle was sitting in her lap. Then she said, Can you see him?’ And he replied, No.' She said, O son of my uncle, rejoice and be of good heart, **by God he is an angel and not a satan.’ **
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I think Khadija & her cousin Waraqa are the key persons whom helped shape the main fundamentals of Islam.
 
American revert this was not set up to bash as you might put it but to examind mohammed;s calims from islamic texts everything i said i provided references for and all muslims can say is that its all lies or its corrupted which is so convenient. Muslims have sites examining the christian religion critically but according to you we are not allowed to do the same and you dare to call us animals.
 
Sam_777 said:
I think Khadija & her cousin Waraqa are the key persons whom helped shape the main fundamentals of Islam.
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i agree sam, Khadija was a hanifite, they were inhabitants of pre-islamic arabia who worshiped the god of abraham and loathed polythiesm. Waraqa was a nestorian christian monk who greatly influenced mohammed. The nestorians beleived that jesus was in 2 persons one man and one divine and that jesus the god was not crucified because god cant die. we find many paralels between islam and nesotiranism, gnosticism and arianism.
 
Zlatan said:
i can show u where mohammed contradicts himself and IN HIS OWN WORDS CALLS HIS “DIVINE” INSPIRATION SATANIC

Sahih Muslim Book 024, Number 5279:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.

Sahih Muslim Book 024, Number 5277:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Angels do not accompany the travellers who have with them a dog and a bell.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 1, Number 2:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah’s Apostle “O Allah’s Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?” Allah’s Apostle replied, "**Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes **’ off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says." 'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 438:
Narrated Aisha:
Al Harith bin Hisham asked the Prophet, “How does the divine inspiration come to you?” He replied, “In all these ways: The Angel sometimes comes to me with a voice which resembles the sound of a ringing bell, and when this state abandons me, I remember what the Angel has said, and this type of Divine Inspiration is the hardest on me; and sometimes the Angel comes to me in the shape of a man and talks to me, and I understand and remember what he says.”
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Very perceptive.
 
Zlatan said:
American revert this was not set up to bash as you might put it but to examind mohammed;s calims from islamic texts everything i said i provided references for and all muslims can say is that its all lies or its corrupted which is so convenient. Muslims have sites examining the christian religion critically but according to you we are not allowed to do the same and you dare to call us animals.
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Apes and pigs I presume.
 
Kadaveri said:
What really is this the point of threads like these?
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muslims do da’wa - they are trying to spread their faith and have us accept islam. This is usually done before they wage their more violent jihads. This is a jihad, basically.

A really good websites to understand jihad is this one:
Centrality of Jihad in islam
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And to understand when they start saying we are islamophobes, or bashers, or whatever names they start calling us when we know islam.
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63E81FA2-BB8A-466C-9BC4-7CF20C272431

Many of us call it a stealth jihad.

a couple of books,
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’

And I can attest that if you really do have an honest discussion of their ‘religion’ then they only expect acceptance because anything else they will ‘go off’. When I write ‘go off’ - they deny, ignore, deflect with arguments showing bad men throughout history to deflect their own 'prophet’s very, poor behavior, and if all else fails - tell you that you are a bad Christian, tell you that you will go to hades, tell you that you are bashing them, etc. And all you have to do is write their surahs, hadiths and history!

If you read the website about the Centrality of jihad - you will also find out why they post on this forum. It is the best explanation that I have found.
 
Americanrevert said:
Mohammad or the one that is copying and posting and the ones that believe without finding out the truth??? Amazing even the ones that did worship idols there, the Quraysh, they highly respected him and was known as the trustworthy one and he did not follow their steps in idol worship.

you can continue to BASH yet again, isn’t anything new since you love to so much…doesn’t show christian love, it shows nastiness and hatefulness and meanness…nice example you are following…did your God teach you to act like animals???

americanrevert
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The problem with you is that we are indeed finding out the truth about islam. the more we dig into it the more you don’t like it. So then you bash us by telling us that we are not good Christians, we are going to hades (I got that from you on a different thread), or that we are animals. tsk tsk tsk 🤷

I, personally, cannot see anything logical, holy, uplifting for my soul, Godly, spiritual, or anything about islam. I find more in some of the weird spiritual practices of the New Age than I do islam.

Now what I do find is that it is a bunch of battle tactics and most of mohammed’s rants and deeds are more like that of a madman. And to be quite honest, it doesn’t surprise me that a madman does such things since so many have done so throughout history, what surprises me is that so many blindly follow such a guy. But we see that phenomenon with Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc. And fascism is not new to humankind either. In fact, it is quite an old concept. ‘Either you are with us or you are against us’ mentality of fascisms is very apparent in islam.
 
R_not said:
The problem with you is that we are indeed finding out the truth about islam. the more we dig into it the more you don’t like it. So then you bash us by telling us that we are not good Christians, we are going to hades (I got that from you on a different thread), or that we are animals. tsk tsk tsk 🤷

I, personally, cannot see anything logical, holy, uplifting for my soul, Godly, spiritual, or anything about islam. I find more in some of the weird spiritual practices of the New Age than I do islam.

Now what I do find is that it is a bunch of battle tactics and most of mohammed’s rants and deeds are more like that of a madman. And to be quite honest, it doesn’t surprise me that a madman does such things since so many have done so throughout history, what surprises me is that so many blindly follow such a guy. But we see that phenomenon with Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc. And fascism is not new to humankind either. In fact, it is quite an old concept. ‘Either you are with us or you are against us’ mentality of fascisms is very apparent in islam.
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i agree with you
also, i found these interesting “information” about muhammad

faithfreedom.org/book.htm

it’s only a synopsis of a book
 
I think that muslims should thank us instead of calling us bashers that we are at least able to show them their own koran, hadiths, mohammed and allah, and their own history of violence in islam - and what they are.

But, then I remember children - especially teenagers and young adults. If you tell them something that they are not ready to hear what do you get from them? Sometimes it can range from denial to just outright anger. And that is what we get quite often from muslims on these threads.

We have a unique opportunity in that we can disseminate information more easily than in the past. In the past the infidels were at a disadvantage and had their homelands overrun outright or in gradual steps (such as in places like Southeast Asia, Africa, Lebanon, the Balkans, etc) and before the Christians and others knew what was happening they were in a war. Even the Philippines is a good example of this - they are now in the same sort of war that Israel is in. Europe is also in this same struggle. but they have the capacity to learn - and they are too lazy.

We can ensure in peaceful ways that our laws, education, etc are all intact and stop the demands and enforce our work rules, ethics and other things before they get out of hand. We have a very, big mountain to climb still - but it can all be done before it gets out of hand.
 
trustme80 said:
i agree with you
also, i found these interesting “information” about muhammad

faithfreedom.org/book.htm

it’s only a synopsis of a book
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Thanks trustme - I use faithfreedom quite often. I also bought Ali Sina’s book - a VERY interesting book about mohammed!! I recommend it to everyone. (‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’) When I need to reference something - I go to faithfreedom.

I just got this website from a different fellow on a different thread - you got to check this out too. It comes from a Christian perspective which sort of mellows me out a little bit since I started studying islam - I can become as hard as a muslim - only in a different way. I also use some of their tactics. I call personal ‘hudnas’ so I can get some ‘mind rest’ from them. And then come back with both barrels loaded (just metaphorically speaking about my mental being of course!!). But, more importantly it makes things more clear in my head.

fatherzakaria.net/

Go into the 'books part of this website and what I am doing is reading them. They are quite a few of them, but they are not very large - 1 to 6 pages most of them. I download them to my pc for reference too.
 
R_not said:
The problem with you is that we are indeed finding out the truth about islam. the more we dig into it the more you don’t like it. So then you bash us by telling us that we are not good Christians, we are going to hades (I got that from you on a different thread), or that we are animals. tsk tsk tsk 🤷

I, personally, cannot see anything logical, holy, uplifting for my soul, Godly, spiritual, or anything about islam. I find more in some of the weird spiritual practices of the New Age than I do islam.

Now what I do find is that it is a bunch of battle tactics and most of mohammed’s rants and deeds are more like that of a madman. And to be quite honest, it doesn’t surprise me that a madman does such things since so many have done so throughout history, what surprises me is that so many blindly follow such a guy. But we see that phenomenon with Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc. And fascism is not new to humankind either. In fact, it is quite an old concept. ‘Either you are with us or you are against us’ mentality of fascisms is very apparent in islam.
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i agree 100%
 
Sam_777 said:
Yes, thank you inJESUS, maybe my fellow Arab Muslims can benefit from it also, here are the links:

mechristian.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/quran_nazaritic_mission_1.pdf
mechristian.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/quran_nazaritic_mission_2.pdf
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i’ll stick to the link i gave you since i couldn’t read the arabic letters in your link…anyway it’d be good of you give the links to those who dare 😉 i’d appreciate it if yu give me your impression about the book in pm:)
 
scipio337 said:
What did Muhammed bring to the world, besides “I AM A PROPHET, attest to my prophethood” that Judaism didn’t already have?
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I didn’t see any answer to this so I will answer the question. He brought death, chaos, hate, greed, paranoia, more fascism (fascism was not a new thing invented with the communists - it has been in the history of mankind since time immemorial and islam is just more of the same, ‘If you are not with me you are against me’ attitude), and eternal war.

Centrality of Jihad in islam
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