Was my confession valid?

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So I was on my way to confession this morning when I gave into the temptation of a mortal sin. It was only minutes after that I confessed my sins, as the priest was in a hurry, otherwise I would’ve done a better examination of concience in the church. Because I was presumptous and sinned just before confession, I am worried that I was not contrite enough. I know in my heart I do now want to commit any of those sins again.
Thanks.
 
So I was on my way to confession this morning when I gave into the temptation of a mortal sin. It was only minutes after that I confessed my sins, as the priest was in a hurry, otherwise I would’ve done a better examination of concience in the church. Because I was presumptous and sinned just before confession, I am worried that I was not contrite enough. I know in my heart I do now want to commit any of those sins again.
Thanks.
You sound like you are suffering from scrupulosity. It is one of the Devil’s oldest tricks and one of his favorite games: making you doubt your confession was valid the second you walk out of the confessional. Next thing you know you will be doubting whether or not you are in the state of grace. Then you will stop going to Communion for fear of commiting sacrilege. Then you will become so discouraged that you will stop going to Church altogether. Then you will fall back into habitual sin and then the cycle repeats all over again. You best bet is to find a good confessor and then OBEY whatever direction he gives regarding your scrupulosity. In the meantime I suggest you read *The Ten Commandments for the *Scrupulous, written by the Redemptorist, Father Don Miller:
  1. You shall not repeat a sin in confession when it has been confessed in a previous confession, even when there is a doubt that it was confessed or a doubt that it was confessed in a sufficiently adequate and complete way.
  2. You shall not confess doubtful sins in confession, but only sins that are clear and certain.
  3. You shall not repeat your penance after confession or any of the words of your penance because you feel or think that you had distractions or may not have said the words properly.
  4. You shall not worry about breaking your fast before receiving communion, unless you actually put food and drink in your mouth and swallow it in the same way that a person does when eating a meal.
  5. You shall not hesitate to look at any crucifix or at any statue in church or at home or anywhere else because you may get bad thoughts in your mind and imagination. If such thoughts occur, they carry no sin whatever.
  6. You shall not consider yourself guilty of bad thoughts, desires, or feelings, unless you can honestly swear before the all-truthful God that you remember clearly and certainly consenting to them.
  7. You shall not disobey your confessor when he tells you never to make another general confession of past sins already confessed.
  8. You shall believe and act accordingly, so that whenever you are in doubt as to whether or not you are obliged to do or not to do something, you can take it for certain that you are not obligated.
  9. If, before you perform or omit an act, you are doubtful whether or not it is sinful for you, you shall assume as certain that it is not sinful and shall proceed to act without any dread of sin whatever.
  10. You shall put your total trust in Jesus Christ, knowing that he loves you as only God can love, and that he will never allow you to lose your soul.
You can read more here: mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupulosity.htm

God Bless
 
Thanks for the reply. Lately I have noticed that I seem to be getting more scrupulous, and paying way more attention to smaller matters than I probably should.

I guess the part I am most worried about is committing a mortal sin and walking into confession 5 minutes later to confess it (along with my other sins). Is this wrong at all? I mean, should I have taken an hour or even a few minutes to think about what I had done before I confessed it? Or is this in itself another sin?

Also I didn’t feel really any different after confession. Usually I feel refreshed, but I couldn’t, thinking that I had just committed a mortal sin within that hour.

I’m trying not to worry too much but I just want to be safe than sorry. I just like to be reassured, knowing that I am in the state of grace and able to recieve communion tomorrow.
 
There is an excellent book called Moral Theology by Fr. Heribert Jone that I highly recommend. I cannot answer if your confession was valid not having all the facts. Nothing is stopping you from going again. In the meantime make an act of contrition. From the penitents perspective for a valid confession the penitent must not have any barriers like being excommunicated (which I highly doubt is the case) with you. You must confess all your known mortal sins and the number of times to the best of your ability since your last confession or even prior to that if you had forgotten to confess a mortal sin on a previous confession. And the circumstances of the sin if it changes the nature of the sin and this also helps the priest in giving advice. Don’t worry about having forgotten to confess a mortal sin it is forgiven too provided of course you didn’t deliberately withold it. To deliberately withold invalidates a confession and no sins are forgiven. You must also have a firm pupose of amendment to not commit sin again. You make think to yourself “Gee I know I am going to fall again based on past experience.” Thats normal. However so long as you truly make a resolution to not sin again - that suffices. And you must perform the prescribed penance. I think that is all that is required from the penitent.

From the priests side he must be validly ordained and he must have jurisdiction and he must use the proper form of absolution and he must intend to do what the Church intends to do.

If I have left anything out or I said something incorrect then i apologize - but i don’t think I have.

You may be scrupulous - I don’t know. The truth shall makes us free. So read the book I recommended it will definetely help you.
 
Thanks for the reply. Lately I have noticed that I seem to be getting more scrupulous, and paying way more attention to smaller matters than I probably should.

I guess the part I am most worried about is committing a mortal sin and walking into confession 5 minutes later to confess it (along with my other sins). Is this wrong at all? I mean, should I have taken an hour or even a few minutes to think about what I had done before I confessed it? Or is this in itself another sin?

Also I didn’t feel really any different after confession. Usually I feel refreshed, but I couldn’t, thinking that I had just committed a mortal sin within that hour.

I’m trying not to worry too much but I just want to be safe than sorry. I just like to be reassured, knowing that I am in the state of grace and able to recieve communion tomorrow.
If you were sorry, then it doesn’t matter how quick you got to confession.

But your initial statement:

“So I was on my way to confession this morning when I gave into the temptation of a mortal sin” sounds like a classic case of scrupulosity. And in many cases, scrupulous persons will confuse temptations involving sinful thoughts with actually consenting to sinful thoughts.

Can you honestly say (on pain of mortal sin) that you have not confused “giving in to temptation” with temptation? Sometimes a very strong temptation can FEEL like “giving in to temptation” to the sensitive, scrupulous conscience. But we don’t go to confession based on what we FEEL we may have done. We go to confession and confess MORTAL sins based on what we KNOW we have done. It is very dangerous, to both the mind and the soul of a scrupulous person, to confess DOUBTFUL sins.
 
Ok Very Worried - Now I can see that you are scrupulous. Let’s talk about that.

First of all - you will never know if you are in the state of grace unless God gave you a special insight which is extremely rare - very rare! That is a teaching of our faith. Council of Trent taught that if I’m not mistaken. What did St. Joan of Arc say when asked if she was in the state of grace? She said: “If I am not then may God put me there and if I am may God keep me there” or words to that effect.

The other thing is - you will never be entirely free of venial sin. Also a teaching of the Council of Trent if I am not mistaken. Not that we can say we fell because God didn’t give the grace - that would be blasphemy. The just man falls seven times a day. Even the saints were not entirely free from all venial sin. But we have to fight the good fight. Try to detach ourselves from venial sin.

Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. It is an act of the will. It isn’t a feeling. Forget what you feel like. If you are trying to use your feelings as a litmus test to see if you are in the state of grace you are making a big mistake.

The Church teaches us how to get into the state of grace. But what you are asking for is absolute knowledge if you are in the state of grace. God doesn’t give that grace ordinarily. I don’t think it is wise to ask God for extraordinary things like that. God loves you but don’t tempt the Lord with requests like that. You want a guarantee if you are in the state of grace. God doesn’t normally grant that grace - it is a very special priveledge. Do what the Church tells you to do and leave it at that. Make frequent acts of hope and deliberate on the words.
Think about this: “O My God, relying on Thy infinite Goodness and promises, I hope to obtain the pardon of my sins, the help of Thy grace, and life everlasting, throught the merits of Jesus Christ, my lord and savior.” Now if you knew with absolute certainty if you were in the state of grace would those words mean anything to you? No they wouldn’t. You wouldn’t need to hope because you would already know for a fact.

If you think you are committing mortal sins 5 minutes after confession then I am guessing that the mortal sins you think you are committing have to do with thoughts that enter your head. Sometimes I get real blasphemous thoughts pop in my head. I have to fight it. And I do fight it. I don’t want those thoughts. God knows I don’t want those thoughts. The victory is in fighting them. God does not will this temptation but He permits this temptation. There must be great benefit in successfully resisting this temptation.
 
So I was on my way to confession this morning when I gave into the temptation of a mortal sin. It was only minutes after that I confessed my sins, as the priest was in a hurry, otherwise I would’ve done a better examination of concience in the church. Because I was presumptous and sinned just before confession, I am worried that I was not contrite enough. I know in my heart I do now want to commit any of those sins again.
Thanks.
Very Worried think about this:

O my God relying on the infinite Goodness I hope to obtain the pardon of my sins:

Rely means to rest with confidence. We are confident that God is good. We depend on His goodness. Why do we bless the Lord? We bless the Lord because He is Good - for His mercy endureth forever. God is GOOD. One is good - GOD! You are not good. I am not good. Mother Teresa wasn’t good. If we were good we wouldn’t need sanctifying grace.
God commands obedience. That we can do. If we fall we confess and try again. Stop worrying.
We hope to obtain pardon. But hope that is seen is not hope. Perhaps that is why God doesn’t let us know with certainty where we stand before Him.

Occupy your mind with something other than the state of your own soul. Read the First Vatican Council. We we created to know love and serve God. Read the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott. There is the whole deposit of faith out there just waiting for you to read. Get busy learning. An idle mind is not what you want to have.

I hope this helps.
 
You sound like you are suffering from scrupulosity. It is one of the Devil’s oldest tricks and one of his favorite games: making you doubt your confession was valid the second you walk out of the confessional. Next thing you know you will be doubting whether or not you are in the state of grace. Then you will stop going to Communion for fear of commiting sacrilege. Then you will become so discouraged that you will stop going to Church altogether. Then you will fall back into habitual sin and then the cycle repeats all over again. You best bet is to find a good confessor and then OBEY whatever direction he gives regarding your scrupulosity. In the meantime I suggest you read *The Ten Commandments for the *Scrupulous, written by the Redemptorist, Father Don Miller:
  1. You shall not repeat a sin in confession when it has been confessed in a previous confession, even when there is a doubt that it was confessed or a doubt that it was confessed in a sufficiently adequate and complete way.
  2. You shall not confess doubtful sins in confession, but only sins that are clear and certain.
  3. You shall not repeat your penance after confession or any of the words of your penance because you feel or think that you had distractions or may not have said the words properly.
  4. You shall not worry about breaking your fast before receiving communion, unless you actually put food and drink in your mouth and swallow it in the same way that a person does when eating a meal.
  5. You shall not hesitate to look at any crucifix or at any statue in church or at home or anywhere else because you may get bad thoughts in your mind and imagination. If such thoughts occur, they carry no sin whatever.
  6. You shall not consider yourself guilty of bad thoughts, desires, or feelings, unless you can honestly swear before the all-truthful God that you remember clearly and certainly consenting to them.
  7. You shall not disobey your confessor when he tells you never to make another general confession of past sins already confessed.
  8. You shall believe and act accordingly, so that whenever you are in doubt as to whether or not you are obliged to do or not to do something, you can take it for certain that you are not obligated.
  9. If, before you perform or omit an act, you are doubtful whether or not it is sinful for you, you shall assume as certain that it is not sinful and shall proceed to act without any dread of sin whatever.
  10. You shall put your total trust in Jesus Christ, knowing that he loves you as only God can love, and that he will never allow you to lose your soul.
You can read more here: mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupulosity.htm

God Bless
Not for me but thanks…
 
Thanks for the reply. Lately I have noticed that I seem to be getting more scrupulous, and paying way more attention to smaller matters than I probably should.

I guess the part I am most worried about is committing a mortal sin and walking into confession 5 minutes later to confess it (along with my other sins). Is this wrong at all? I mean, should I have taken an hour or even a few minutes to think about what I had done before I confessed it? Or is this in itself another sin?

Also I didn’t feel really any different after confession. Usually I feel refreshed, but I couldn’t, thinking that I had just committed a mortal sin within that hour.

I’m trying not to worry too much but I just want to be safe than sorry. I just like to be reassured, knowing that I am in the state of grace and able to recieve communion tomorrow.
You should have a thorough examination of conscience, confess yours sins and during your act of contrition you make a promise to God and to yourself to “sin no more and to amend your life.” In my opinion it is good that you are wanting to get this monkey off your back but accept the sacramental medicine and go and sin no more. It is my lowly opinion that the sacraments are our medication for our soul. Take the medication that is offered to you and ammend your life–the reason why you feel no relief could very well be because you know deep down that you were not contrite? I don’t know what you are doing but look at your life and remember that our Lord came to bring us Salvation–He is the great physician. Regardless of what someone writes pull out your old 1942 Baltimore Catachism and follow that,(the year is inconsequential) I am just saying put aside the “feel good theology” and be honest with yourself and with Our Lord and your ailment will find a cure. I am Orthodox but was born and raised a RC and one thing that disgusts me and is in part the reason why I am Orthodox today is the minimizing and when someone is being honest and saying I don’t think I made a honest examination of conscience people will find every excuse not to confess that YES I RUSHED THROUGH AND AND MADE A BAD CONFESSION AND NOW NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME IN PRAYER AND RETURN TO CONFESSION. Don’t fall into despair but remember when you are given absolution you are obligated to AMEND your life, erring on the side of caution is always best in my opinionl. The saints did not become saints but making excuses. Take hold of your cross and be honored that our Lord has given you the opportunity and the grace necessary to be fastidieous and concise. May God be with you always.
 
You should have a thorough examination of conscience, confess yours sins and during your act of contrition you make a promise to God and to yourself to “sin no more and to amend your life.” In my opinion it is good that you are wanting to get this monkey off your back but accept the sacramental medicine and go and sin no more. It is my lowly opinion that the sacraments are our medication for our soul. Take the medication that is offered to you and ammend your life–the reason why you feel no relief could very well be because you know deep down that you were not contrite? I don’t know what you are doing but look at your life and remember that our Lord came to bring us Salvation–He is the great physician. Regardless of what someone writes pull out your old 1942 Baltimore Catachism and follow that,(the year is inconsequential) I am just saying put aside the “feel good theology” and be honest with yourself and with Our Lord and your ailment will find a cure. I am Orthodox but was born and raised a RC and one thing that disgusts me and is in part the reason why I am Orthodox today is the minimizing and when someone is being honest and saying I don’t think I made a honest examination of conscience people will find every excuse not to confess that YES I RUSHED THROUGH AND AND MADE A BAD CONFESSION AND NOW NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME IN PRAYER AND RETURN TO CONFESSION. Don’t fall into despair but remember when you are given absolution you are obligated to AMEND your life, erring on the side of caution is always best in my opinionl. The saints did not become saints but making excuses. Take hold of your cross and be honored that our Lord has given you the opportunity and the grace necessary to be fastidieous and concise. May God be with you always.
Hi Patrick,
After re-reading what I wrote and what you wrote I have learned a value lesson. The bottom line is this: I really do not have all the facts. I am not qualified to be giving out spiritual advice of this nature. I liken it to a person without a medical license trying to give medical advice over the phone without even having examined the person. My only advice to “very worried” is to seek out a holy priest and discuss your situation. As Christ said : Go show yourself to the priest.
 
Hi Patrick,
After re-reading what I wrote and what you wrote I have learned a value lesson. The bottom line is this: I really do not have all the facts. I am not qualified to be giving out spiritual advice of this nature. I liken it to a person without a medical license trying to give medical advice over the phone without even having examined the person. My only advice to “very worried” is to seek out a holy priest and discuss your situation. As Christ said : Go show yourself to the priest.
Just trying to help, I have been in a situation where I made a half hearted confession and you are right the best thing to do is seek out a holy priest or even better a monastic. Better to make a honest examination and with a clear conscience confess your sins and make good your act of contrition to AMEND your life, you may fall but never give up. God’s Grace can move mountains create universes–surely it can cure you of an unsanctimonious life. Take care and pray for me as I will for you.
Christus Mea Spes!
 
Thanks for the reply. Lately I have noticed that I seem to be getting more scrupulous, and paying way more attention to smaller matters than I probably should.

I guess the part I am most worried about is committing a mortal sin and walking into confession 5 minutes later to confess it (along with my other sins). Is this wrong at all? I mean, should I have taken an hour or even a few minutes to think about what I had done before I confessed it? Or is this in itself another sin?

Also I didn’t feel really any different after confession. Usually I feel refreshed, but I couldn’t, thinking that I had just committed a mortal sin within that hour.

I’m trying not to worry too much but I just want to be safe than sorry. I just like to be reassured, knowing that I am in the state of grace and able to recieve communion tomorrow.
You should speak to a priest about whether or not you’re scrupulous. They are trained and educated in this matter. There is a fine line between being scrupulous and having a delicate conscience. It is natural and a good thing for one to go from have a lax conscience to a delicate conscience. As we grow spiritually, we become more aware of our sins, even the little things. It’s when we start finding sin where there is no sin, etc that it becomes a problem.

I noticed that you mentioned you didn’t do a good examination of conscience prior to going to confession. This is a problem that you need to speak to a priest about. If you neglected to give proper care to examining your conscience (the amount of time required depends on how long it’s been since your last confession), and missed mortal sins, you may have invalidated your confession. We are required to give the same amount of care to our examination of conscience as we are to other things which are of importance. Not confessing mortal sins that resulted out of negligence can invalidate a confession. Further, contrition is attached to the examination of conscience. You need to speak to a priest about this, and you need to do so when he has sufficient time for you to explain the situation in detail.

Finally, validity of absolution is not dependent on how one feels after confession. Sometimes God grants the penitent some spiritual consolation for going to Confession as a means of encouraging repeated use. Sometimes God withholds spiritual consolation to test us and help us grow to go to Confession out of love for God and our detestation of sin, rather than “it makes us feel good”.
 
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