Was Osiris ressurected?

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There is a text called the Pyramid Texts, Utterance 373 regarding Osiris:

654a. To say: O, O, raise thyself up, N.;

654b. receive thy head, unite thy bones to thee,

654c. collect thy limbs,

654d. shake the earth (dust of the earth) from thy flesh.

655a. Receive thy bread which cannot mould, thy beer which cannot sour.

655b. Thou standest at the doors, which hold people back.

655c. He who is chief of his department (or, thigh offering) comes out to thee, he lays hold of thine arm,

655d. and takes thee to heaven to thy father Geb.

656a. He rejoices at thy approach; he gives his arm to thee;

656b. he kisses thee; he embraces thee;

Does this mean Osiris was ressurected?
 
Abyssinia said:
There is a text called the Pyramid Texts, Utterance 373 regarding Osiris:

654a. To say: O, O, raise thyself up, N.;

654b. receive thy head, unite thy bones to thee,

654c. collect thy limbs,

654d. shake the earth (dust of the earth) from thy flesh.

655a. Receive thy bread which cannot mould, thy beer which cannot sour.

655b. Thou standest at the doors, which hold people back.

655c. He who is chief of his department (or, thigh offering) comes out to thee, he lays hold of thine arm,

655d. and takes thee to heaven to thy father Geb.

656a. He rejoices at thy approach; he gives his arm to thee;

656b. he kisses thee; he embraces thee;

Does this mean Osiris was ressurected?
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It could mean lots of things:
  1. Osiris was resurrected.
  2. Osiris desired to be resurrected.
  3. Someone thought that Osiris was resurrected.
  4. Someone thought that Osiris should be resurrected.
 
Abyssinia said:
There is a text called the Pyramid Texts, Utterance 373 regarding Osiris:

654a. To say: O, O, raise thyself up, N.;

654b. receive thy head, unite thy bones to thee,

654c. collect thy limbs,

654d. shake the earth (dust of the earth) from thy flesh.

655a. Receive thy bread which cannot mould, thy beer which cannot sour.

655b. Thou standest at the doors, which hold people back.

655c. He who is chief of his department (or, thigh offering) comes out to thee, he lays hold of thine arm,

655d. and takes thee to heaven to thy father Geb.

656a. He rejoices at thy approach; he gives his arm to thee;

656b. he kisses thee; he embraces thee;

Does this mean Osiris was ressurected?
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there is no such person as Osiris, he is a figure in a pagan myth, so, NO
 
puzzleannie said:
there is no such person as Osiris, he is a figure in a pagan myth, so, NO
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So who decides what is myth and what is the the truth. If you read scriptures and believe it is the word of god , who are you to select what is myth and what is true? The cross is a pagan symbol, does that concure the crucifixion is a pagan myth?
 
I believe historians would decide whats a myth; i read recently that there is as much evidence of Christs crucifixion as there is that the roman emporer of the same time existed.

If you put all the Historians who belive Christ existed in one hall and those that dont in another they would probably have overcrowding in the Existed hall and could play a tennis game confortably in the myth hall 😃
 
xris said:
So who decides what is myth and what is the the truth. If you read scriptures and believe it is the word of god , who are you to select what is myth and what is true? The cross is a pagan symbol, does that concure the crucifixion is a pagan myth?
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Jesus is attested by non-Christian sources as a historical figure
Osiris is not
furthermore God reveals himself, you can choose not to believe that revelation, but you cannot even in ignorance put pagan myth on the same level as Divine Revelation. I am nobody to conclude what is myth and what is not. God is, through the Church he established.
 
It is possible here that someone was curious about the story not trying to prove any religious point. From what I know Osirus’ was torn apart and scattered throughout Egypt by Seth. Isis went into the underworld and traveld to unite her husbands body. He was never back to his original self. Then they had a child Horus (most notably reconized as the eye often seen in egyptian art). He was in a sense a reincarnation or replacement his father who by the way was also Isis’ brother. So in a way I guess since he was pieced together by his wife.
We all love a good story and this is a classic part of Egyptian myth and the history of our human psyche.
God Bless, Mary
 
The lines posted with the initial question sound like an Ode to Isis who through her mercy and diligence managed to bring her husbands body parts together. Nothing more nothing less. It is a story from another time and culture let’s not jump to defend our faith against such things. It is rather inspiring just like any other tale can be.
 
thirddec said:
I believe historians would decide whats a myth; i read recently that there is as much evidence of Christs crucifixion as there is that the roman emporer of the same time existed.

If you put all the Historians who belive Christ existed in one hall and those that dont in another they would probably have overcrowding in the Existed hall and could play a tennis game confortably in the myth hall 😃
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Christ has no contemporary history. If you can show me the evidence these historians use to prove his existence I would appreciate it. Im sure jesus existed but christ is built on myths, not historic facts. Faith may well be your security but it has no validity in academic debate.
 
Mary_Jessica said:
The lines posted with the initial question sound like an Ode to Isis who through her mercy and diligence managed to bring her husbands body parts together. Nothing more nothing less. It is a story from another time and culture let’s not jump to defend our faith against such things. It is rather inspiring just like any other tale can be.
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So who decides what is a fundemental truth and what is fictional? This story was relevant and held as much value to those who believed in the old gods as is the trinity to catholics. To scorn scriptures for self serving ends is to question all scriptures on their face value. Resurrection as a concept is as old as man. Is your faith more valid than those who precede you? Do certain faiths demand more respect than others?
 
xris said:
Christ has no contemporary history. If you can show me the evidence these historians use to prove his existence I would appreciate it. Im sure jesus existed but christ is built on myths, not historic facts. Faith may well be your security but it has no validity in academic debate.
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Faith has no validity in academic debate except in so far as it has influenced the course of that debate. This isn’t to say that whatever faith under consideration reveals theological truth, but only that it matters (and has mattered) in academic debate. One cannot dismiss the influence of faith simply by saying that the particulars of that faith cannot be definitively proved. So, to say that faith has no validity in academic debate is not quite accurate. Many historical events have turned on the presence or absence of faith.
 
xris said:
So who decides what is a fundemental truth and what is fictional? This story was relevant and held as much value to those who believed in the old gods as is the trinity to catholics. To scorn scriptures for self serving ends is to question all scriptures on their face value. Resurrection as a concept is as old as man. Is your faith more valid than those who precede you? Do certain faiths demand more respect than others?
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All scripture should be questioned, but scripture should not necessarily be judged as true or false according to the rules of academia. After all, myth or fiction can often reveal truth more accurately than history. The question as to whether my personal faith is more valid than the faith of those who preceded me is obviously, yes. It is more valid to me. The final question, do certain faiths demand more respect than others, can also be answered positively. Even those who are opposed to Christianity theologically cannot deny its great influence on world events and the evolution of modern academia. This alone should command respect for Christianity in academic circles. The faith which holds that Osiris resurrected from the dead is much less demanding of respect than the faith which holds that Jesus resurrected from the dead.
 
I would say respectfully, who cares. I’m focused on God thru Christ.

May God Bless!

Ed
 
ronin67 said:
I would say respectfully, who cares. I’m focused on God thru Christ.

May God Bless!

Ed
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I believe it is important for Catholics to know these things.

Some say that the Mary and baby Jesus imagery and accounts are actually copied from the Isis-Horus statues/paintings/myths.

Not everyone wants to be an apologist but I believe it is important to be aware of certain things so as to not be caught unawares.

Focusing on God and Christ and knowing how to defend your faith are not mutually exclusive.

Isis and Horus
 
I see debate is not a requirement on this forum. Any serious questions are deleted…so bye bye. Yes he was ressurected , its a requirement for all gods who need to be recognised.
 
If he was resurrected, I would think he’d continue to enjoy a huge following today-resurrections just aren’t that commonplace :), and God would needs be involved in the whole affair in which case I doubt He would’ve dropped the ball on it later on. My take is that these kinds of stories reflect a human hope and desire for-maybe a dim perception of- an afterlife.
 
According to Egyptian myth, Isis, after discovering Osiris had been torn apart by Set, tried to reassemble his body so that he would live again. If I recall correctly, she was able to locate and assemble everything except his penis. Being unable to give life, he became the god of the dead. For how Isis reassembled his body and bound it together, he was also the god of mummification.
 
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