Was Peter Ever in Rome?

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We are headed back to Italy in March. One of several cities we will be touring is of course, Rome. We have to protestant friends who will be traveling. They have spent most of their life in the a Southern Baptist church. They now attend a bible church.

With that said, they’re very well versed in the bible and tell us Peter was never in Rome and always make reference that Paul was. Well, I beg to differ and believe Peter was in Rome and they say there is no mention of him being in Rome in the bible. it’s that sola scriptura thing. Can someone give me some sold references that will at least give them something to think about?

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We are headed back to Italy in March. One of several cities we will be touring is of course, Rome. We have to protestant friends who will be traveling. They have spent most of their life in the a Southern Baptist church. They now attend a bible church.

With that said, they’re very well versed in the bible and tell us Peter was never in Rome and always make reference that Paul was. Well, I beg to differ and believe Peter was in Rome and they say there is no mention of him being in Rome in the bible. it’s that sola scriptura thing. Can someone give me some sold references that will at least give them something to think about?

Thanks!!
I don’t think it’s a sola scriptura thing, I think it’s more of a “they (the Catholic Church) can’t possibly be right about anything” thing.

You know…“if the Catholics are for it, I’m against it” metality.

Anyway, since I have moved I have no access to any references (they are in storage) but if you google this topic you will find many of the fathers seem to have believed that Peter was in Rome and that there is an argument based on Peter writing from “Babylon” which reveals that Peter was likely in Rome.

You also might ask why they don’t think Peter was in Rome? Is it really just because the bible is silent or at best vague about Peter’s visit(s) to Rome?
 
If your friends want to blindly deny history, then I doubt they will even consider anything contrary to their own preconceived notions.
 
Tradition / Church Fathers
I. Peter Built the Church in Rome

“Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labours and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him.” Clement of Rome, The First Epistle of Clement, 5 (c. A.D. 96).

“I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, 4 (c. A.D. 110).

‘You have thus by such an admonition bound together the plantings of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth." Dionysius of Corinth, Epistle to Pope Soter, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, II:25 (c. A.D. 178).

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).

“As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out.” Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)

“It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day. It is confirmed likewise by Caius, a member of the Church, who arose under Zephyrinus, bishop of Rome. He, in a published disputation with Proclus, the leader of the Phrygian heresy, speaks as follows concerning the places where the sacred corpses of the aforesaid apostles are laid: ‘But I can show the trophies of the apostles. For if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian way, you will find the trophies of those who laid the foundations of this church.’” Gaius, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).

“[W]hat utterance also the Romans give, so very near (to the apostles), to whom Peter and Paul conjointly bequeathed the gospel even sealed with their own blood.” Tertullian, Against Marcion, 4:5 (inter A.D. 207-212).

'We read the lives of the Caesars: At Rome Nero was the first who stained with blood the rising blood. Then is Peter girt by another (an allusion to John 21:18), when he is made fast to the cross." Tertullian, Scorpiace, 15:3 (A.D. 212).

“Peter…at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way.” Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis, (A.D. 232).

“Thus Peter, the first of the Apostles, having been often apprehended, and thrown into prison, and treated with igominy, was last of all crucified at Rome.” Peter of Alexandria, The Canonical Epistle, Canon 9 (A.D. 306).

“[W]hich Peter and Paul preached at Rome…” Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, 4:21 (A.D. 310).

“Peter…coming to the city of Rome, by the mighty cooperation of that power which was lying in wait there…” Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, II:14,5 (A.D. 325).

“This man [Simon Magus], after he had been cast out by the Apostles, came to Rome…Peter and Paul, a noble pair, chief rulers of the Church, arrived and set the error right…For Peter was there, who carrieth the keys of heaven…” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures ,6:14-15 (c. A.D. 350).

“And Peter, who had hid himself for fear of the Jews, and the Apostle Paul who was let down in a basket, and fled, when they were told, ‘Ye must bear witness at Rome,’ deferred not the journey; yea, rather, they departed rejoicing…” Athanasius, Defence of his Flight, 18 (c. A.D. 357).

“I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church whose faith has been praised by Paul…My words are spoken to the successor of the fisherman, to the disciple of the cross.” Jerome, To Pope Damasus, Epistle 15 (A.D. 377).

“For if when here he loved men so, that when he [Peter] had the choice of departing and being with Christ, he chose to be here, much more will he there display a warmer affection. I love Rome even for this, although indeed one has other grounds for praising it, both for its greatness, and its antiquity, and its beauty, and its populousness, and for its power, and its wealth, and for its successes in war. But I let all this pass, and esteem it blessed on this account, that both in his lifetime he wrote to them, and loved them so, and talked with them whiles he was with us, and brought his life to a close there.” John Chrysostom, Epistle to the Romans, Homily 32 (c. A.D. 391).

“Which was mere to the interest of the Church at Rome, that it should at its commencement be presided over by some high-born and pompous senator, or by the fisherman Peter, who had none of this world’s advantages to attract men to him?” Gregory of Nyssa, To the Church at Nicodemia, Epistle 13 (ante A.D. 394).

“But some people in some countries of the West, and especially in the city, [Rome] not knowing the reason of this indulgence, think that a dispensation from fasting ought certainly not to be allowed On the Sabbath, because they say that on this day the Apostle Peter fasted before his encounter with Simon [Magus].” John Cassian, Institutes, X (ante A.D. 435).
 
We are headed back to Italy in March. One of several cities we will be touring is of course, Rome. We have to protestant friends who will be traveling. They have spent most of their life in the a Southern Baptist church. They now attend a bible church.

With that said, they’re very well versed in the bible and tell us Peter was never in Rome and always make reference that Paul was. Well, I beg to differ and believe Peter was in Rome and they say there is no mention of him being in Rome in the bible. it’s that sola scriptura thing. Can someone give me some sold references that will at least give them something to think about?

Thanks!!
If you are able to take the Scavi Tour in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter’s Basilica, you will be moved. I visited a few years back, and never knew before traveling that these excavations had taken place, and what archeologists found. It is only accessible by relatively few people per day, but well worth the time. It may or may not convince your friends, but it will almost certainly be edifying to you. Here is another link on this tour. Have a great trip!
 
If Peter was never in Rome, how is it that he was executed in Rome?

– Mark L. Chance.
 
We are headed back to Italy in March. One of several cities we will be touring is of course, Rome. We have to protestant friends who will be traveling. They have spent most of their life in the a Southern Baptist church. They now attend a bible church.

With that said, they’re very well versed in the bible and tell us Peter was never in Rome and always make reference that Paul was. Well, I beg to differ and believe Peter was in Rome and they say there is no mention of him being in Rome in the bible. it’s that sola scriptura thing. Can someone give me some sold references that will at least give them something to think about?

Thanks!!
Scripture indicates that Peter was in Rome. Consider the following:

1 Peter 5:13
“The Church here in Babylon, united with you by God’s election, sends you her greeting, and so does my son, Mark”

Babylon is a code-word for Rome. It is used that way multiple times in works like the Sibylline Oracles (5:159f), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Chronicle, composed about A.D. 303, noted that “It is said that Peter’s first epistle, in which he makes mention of Mark, was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon.”

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It is important to note that some Protestant apologists actually claim that St. Peter was writing from the literal city of Babylon. If anyone ever tells you that, respond to them by saying that the city of Babylon itself did not exist at this time. It was destroyed in OT times, as predicted by Scripture. These Protestants are merely confusing the REGION of BABYLONIA, which did exist at the time, with the CITY of Babylon, which was just a pile of rubble at this time. The only Babylon during St. Peter’s time was the figurative one referring to Rome.

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