Was Pope Francis involved in the cover-up

[mrsdizzyd]

The more serious the problem, the less hasty our decisions and accusations should be.

Precisely!

I’m very suspicious that the first suggestion was that the pope resign and that that suggestion came from someone who was not a fan of the pope and was published by papers who were openly critical or even hostile toward the pope. One gets the feeling that these folks have been waiting for an excuse to attack the pope.

 

[semper_catholicus]

I find the words of St. Pio of Pietrelcina to be most useful now:

“Pray, hope and don’t worry.”

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Benedict seems to have imposed sanctions on McCarrick, which Francis reversed. Vigano is either lying or being honest. We need to pray but also demand the truth.

If Benedict imposed those sanctions they were never enforced. McCarrick never left public ministry until Pope Francis ordered him to and asked for his resignation from the college of cardinals.

 

[Uriel1]

Dugtrio1:

The more serious the problem, the less hasty our decisions and accusations should be.

Precisely!

I’m very suspicious that the first suggestion was that the pope resign and that that suggestion came from someone who was not a fan of the pope and was published by papers who were openly critical or even hostile toward the pope. One gets the feeling that these folks have been waiting for an excuse to attack the pope.

Wrong. The first suggestion is not that he resign. It is that he sacks all the cardinals/bishops involved in both the cover-up and scandal, before he seeks forgiveness and only then resign

 

[DebCWil]

There is a statement from the Secretary of the Pope Emeritus. I would go with his statement. Any call for Pope Francis to resign is premature.
There is speculation that Pope Benedict XVI resigned in order that a person more able than he could manage the various scandals, including clericalism, facing the Church.
While the letter to the pope is written by an individual who in the past had a reputation for finding corruption, there are also supposed personal differences and biases. Much of the letter, as the Pope Emeritus iterates, lacks a factual basis and evidence.

Furthermore, Pope Francis has been open in the past to delegating some of his authority, which would help with legal proceedings that can be handled on a more local/national basis. The USCB has asked for an audience. I am not sure whether or not they are including the recommendation of a lay board. This may very well go against the interests of some traditionalists calling for Pope Francis to resign. They would prefer to keep the status quo even if there may be a better way of getting to the truth.
One abuse victim has openly commended the United States for being the only country for having recourse for victims. My personal opinion is that has to do with our unique judicial system.

As another poster has already stated, scripture says two or three witnesses are needed. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has already refuted the statement.

 

[RandomAlias]

Wrong. The first suggestion is not that he resign. It is that he sacks all the cardinals/bishops involved in both the cover-up and scandal, before he seeks forgiveness and only then resign

No, you are in the wrong by making his resignation a part, even the final part, of your plan. He needs to clean house, but there is no need for him to resign.

 

[Uriel1]

Uriel1:

Wrong. The first suggestion is not that he resign. It is that he sacks all the cardinals/bishops involved in both the cover-up and scandal, before he seeks forgiveness and only then resign

No, you are in the wrong by making his resignation a part, even the final part, of your plan. He needs to clean house, but there is no need for him to resign.

I have no plan for him to resign; that respectful appeal is from CM.

The allegation is that he knew about McCarrick before cancelling the sanctions. Francis himself has insisted there is a no tolerance policy

 

[ZMystiCat]

Wrong. The first suggestion is not that he resign. It is that he sacks all the cardinals/bishops involved in both the cover-up and scandal, before he seeks forgiveness and only then resign

Resigning was part of the initial call. That’s what people find suspicious. It doesn’t matter if he’s supposed to do a bunch of other stuff beforehand, because he’s been called to resign right out the gate.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

mrsdizzyd:

Dugtrio1:

The more serious the problem, the less hasty our decisions and accusations should be.

Precisely!

I’m very suspicious that the first suggestion was that the pope resign and that that suggestion came from someone who was not a fan of the pope and was published by papers who were openly critical or even hostile toward the pope. One gets the feeling that these folks have been waiting for an excuse to attack the pope.

Wrong. The first suggestion is not that he resign. It is that he sacks all the cardinals/bishops involved in both the cover-up and scandal, before he seeks forgiveness and only then resign

You are the one who is wrong my friend. Viganò asked the pope to resign at the end of his 11-page letter. That was the first accusation against the pope and he immediately calls for resignation. Highly suspect.

 

[Uriel1]

You mean the 11 page letter published when?..
Being a summary of a 300 page document presented …(how many?) years earlier

 

[Sbee0]

Like I said in another topic, there is a faction in the Church who never liked Pope Francis’s leadership and his perceived “liberal” politics and direction he is taking the church and I have no doubt that if there was an opportunity to force him out they would have seized upon it. There is a decent chance that is what is happening here.

The facts need to come out either way and it won’t happen today. Pray for the Pope and our Church.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Well, Michael certainly did not hold anything back and made his opinion known which he has a right to do.
He has a right to be angry as the rest of us do.

 

[RandomAlias]

I have no plan for him to resign; that respectful appeal is from CM.

Well, since you repeated that “respectful appeal” in four separate posts (so far, in this thread alone), I surmised that it is your plan as well.

 

[Uriel1]

Uriel1:

I have no plan for him to resign; that respectful appeal is from CM.

Well, since you repeated that “respectful appeal” in four separate posts (so far, in this thread alone), I surmised that it is your plan as well.

The question is was Francis involved in the cover up? If not why was McCarrick reinstated?

 

[RandomAlias]

The question is was Francis involved in the cover up?

The question phrased and put forth like that pushes Voris’ agenda – and yours.

Charity demands that we assume for the moment that the Holy Father was not part of any alleged cover-up.

 

[on_the_hill]

Benedict seems to have imposed sanctions on McCarrick, which Francis reversed.

If Benedict imposed those sanctions they were never enforced. McCarrick never left public ministry until Pope Francis ordered him to and asked for his resignation from the college of cardinals.

The question is was Francis involved in the cover up? If not why was McCarrick reinstated?

Which of these is it?
Was McCarrick sanctioned under Benedict XIV? Did Francis reverse the sanctions? Was McCarrick not sanctioned under Benedict? Did Francis enforce sanctions?

 

[JulianN]

And more to the point, if Pope Benedict sanctioned him, why were those sanctions never made public nor enforced? Why did it take Pope Francis to actually sanction McCarrick and publicly remove him from ministry?

 

[Uriel1]

Vigano is either truthful or lying

 

[Irishmom2]

I love when people make threads and ask questions that no one here can answer with certainty.

“Was the Pope Involved in the Cover-up?”

How the heck do any of us know that?
It’s one thing to have a discussion, but the way some threads are titled are leading. And then there is room to back pedal and say “I never said he was involved.” Or, “I never said he should resign.” Or whatever else people lead with.

Too much conjecture, not enough facts. Too many “feelings” not enough facts. Too many opinions parading as facts.

No decisions will be made on anyone’s conjecturing, feelings or opinions, so most of what is happening on CAF lately is pointless.

 

[Irishmom2]

Vigano is either truthful or lying

Uh, ya think?