Was Rich Mullins Catholic?

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This is from another thread…“cs lewis and rich mullins were very instrumental in pointing me toward rome. neither were catholic at the time, but both were on the rome side of me, and opened my mind to some of the things i misunderstood that catholics teach.”

This may seem like an odd question, but I ordered a Rich Mullins cd a few months ago because I love his music and especailly his lyrics, but was surprised when the booklet inside the cd had pictures of an old church, a rosary, a statue of Mary, etc. One of the songs on the cd "Screen Door’ also talks about the need for faith AND works. It seems like a very ‘Catholic’ cd in many ways.

Ever since I got this CD I’ve wondered if Mr. Mullins was Catholic or on the road to Catholicism when he died. Does anyone know? The post above seems to imply he was, but it also implies C.S. Lews became Catholic…something I didnt’ know either. Thanks!
 
I don’t know about Rich Mullins, but C.S.Lewis never quite made it to Catholic. He was an athiest who became an Anglican. I read once that it may have been the antii-Catholicism of his youth that prevented him from “crossing the Tiber”! 🙂

Peace,
Linda
 
Hi there,

Have you tried doing a search in your browser for the biography of either person? Maybe you could find some information there?

I’ve always appreciated Rich Mullen’s music and Keith Green, as well, who, if my memory serves, was Jewish and then became Christian.

God’s peace to you,
Elizabeth
 
I don’t know, but I don’t think so. He was certainly “Catholic-friendly”, and I’ve asked “was he or wasn’t he” many times myself.

Here’s an interesting interview where he references G.K. Chesterton and comments on his musical about St. Francis of Assisi (apparently his hero, according to other things I’ve read).
tollbooth.org/features/mullins.html

I also liked the quotes on this page. The guy sure didn’t pull any punches.
answers.com/topic/rich-mullins
 
It is my understanding that Rich Mullins was on his way to becoming Catholic before his sudden death. At that time he was taking instruction and, I beleive, planning on entering the Catholic Church at the next Easter.

Sorry I can’t give you any references, but that’s what I heard.
 
My understanding is that he was in RCIA when he died.

Josh
 
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Elzee:
This is from another thread…“cs lewis and rich mullins were very instrumental in pointing me toward rome. neither were catholic at the time, but both were on the rome side of me, and opened my mind to some of the things i misunderstood that catholics teach.”

This may seem like an odd question, but I ordered a Rich Mullins cd a few months ago because I love his music and especailly his lyrics, but was surprised when the booklet inside the cd had pictures of an old church, a rosary, a statue of Mary, etc. One of the songs on the cd "Screen Door’ also talks about the need for faith AND works. It seems like a very ‘Catholic’ cd in many ways.

Ever since I got this CD I’ve wondered if Mr. Mullins was Catholic or on the road to Catholicism when he died. Does anyone know? The post above seems to imply he was, but it also implies C.S. Lews became Catholic…something I didnt’ know either. Thanks!
I’ve been to several of Rich’s concerts, and had the privilege of providing my personal grand piano for a free (like most of his concerts) concert he gave at our church, All Saints, a few days before his last Christmas, for Marriage Encounter. Note to piano players: the first thing he played while trying out my piano, after a couple arpeggios was some of the third movement of the Moonlight Sonata.

Anyway, at that concert, he talked about the Screen Door song. He was inspired to write it after he had picked up a very unpleasant hitchhiker, and finally lied to him saying this was his exit, then driving a few extra miles so the hitchhiker wouldn’t see him again. The hitchhiker smelled very bad, and had a very negative attitude about everything. Afterwards, he wrote Screen Door as a penance of sorts. He said he’s always been intrigued by the Catholic Church but never had gotten up the guts to join, and made a specific connection to faith and works. (good observation, Elzee!)

At the end of the concert, everybody formed a circle and sang the ME song. Rich told me after the concert that he had never felt so welcome.

Funny thing, the first time my wife and I saw him in person, in Emporia Kansas, my wife gave me a t-shirt with “Top Ten Reasons to Remain Roman Catholic” and ordered me to wear it to the concert, at a Protestant Church, in a crowd overwhelmingly Protestant. After the concert, we had a chance to talk to him (it was then he consented to the ME concert) and he read my entire t-shirt, front and back. My wife was among those trying to get him to become Catholic; I was only following orders.

While in Wichita, Rich was noted by many who knew him personally for dropping in unexpectedly on friends, especially religious people, and asking them lots of questions. At the time, he lived in the attic of the Rev Jim Smith, who currently teaches at Friends University, Rich’s alma mater. One of his good friends was Father Matt McGuinness, who currently runs the Newman Center at Wichita State University. We knew Fr. Matt because he used to be an associate pastor at All Saints.

Anyway, Rich died on I-35 while driving from Rockford Il, where he was working on his next album, headed for Wichita for a charity concert for which our family had tickets. Strange thing, my wife had premonitions that we would never see him again several weeks before when I refused to drive to Tulsa for a concert because of difficulty making arrangements for our kids. My wife was so bothered she had to begin taking medication. I showed her out tickets and assured her that we would see him again. I was wrong.

Afterwards, Father Matt said that Rich had been in training for some time, and was scheduled to receive his First Holy Communion that very weekend, after the concert.

Our parish priest at the time, who is now retired, was very conservative but took an immediate liking to Mullins shortly into the concert. Julie asked him what might become of Rich since he was almost Catholic. Father Busch told Julie, “Julie, he was Catholic.”

Alan
 
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Elzee:
This is from another thread…“cs lewis and rich mullins were very instrumental in pointing me toward rome. neither were catholic at the time, but both were on the rome side of me, and opened my mind to some of the things i misunderstood that catholics teach.”

This may seem like an odd question, but I ordered a Rich Mullins cd a few months ago because I love his music and especailly his lyrics, but was surprised when the booklet inside the cd had pictures of an old church, a rosary, a statue of Mary, etc. One of the songs on the cd "Screen Door’ also talks about the need for faith AND works. It seems like a very ‘Catholic’ cd in many ways.

Ever since I got this CD I’ve wondered if Mr. Mullins was Catholic or on the road to Catholicism when he died. Does anyone know? The post above seems to imply he was, but it also implies C.S. Lews became Catholic…something I didnt’ know either. Thanks!
I’m afraid I never heard of Rich Mullins, but a great book on Lewis is called *C.S. Lewis and the Catholic Church *by a Catholic scholar named Joseph Pearce.
 
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I’m afraid I never heard of Rich Mullins, but a great book on Lewis is called *C.S. Lewis and the Catholic Church *by a Catholic scholar named Joseph Pearce.
Rich Mullins is most widely known as the author of the song “Awesome God.”
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Anyway, at that concert, he talked about the Screen Door song.
Hi Alan,

Thank you for sharing. I’m wondering about the Screen Door Song. Is that the one that says, “Faith without works is like a screen door on a submarine?” Great lyrics. I guess Rich did all God meant for him to do on earth. It’s a double blessing for you and your wife, to have known one who loved The Lord so well and was able to express it in music.

Peace to you and your wife,
Elizabeth
 
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elizabeth4truth:
Thank you for sharing. I’m wondering about the Screen Door Song. Is that the one that says, “Faith without works is like a screen door on a submarine?” Great lyrics.
Yes, that’s the one.

I just remembered another comment he made between songs in a public concert at Century II Concert Hall. He actually said, to a very large mixed audience, something to the effect “Protestants eat your heart out” just before singing it.
Rich Mullins:Screen Door:
It’s about as useless as
A screen door on a submarine
Faith without works baby
It just ain’t happenin’
One is your left hand
One is your right
It’ll take two strong arms
To hold on tight
Some folks cut off their nose
Just to spite their face
I think you need some works to show
For your alleged faith

Well there’s a difference you know
Between having faith
And playing make believe
One will make you grow
The other one just make you sleep
Talk about it (yeah)
But I really think you oughtta
Take a leap off of the ship
Before you claim to walk on water
Faith without works
Is like a song you can’t sing (sing)
It’s about as useless as
A screen door on a submarine
Of course, for those who have heard it or seen it, the song is particularly catchy and stands out from the others because it is performed with a very cool rhythmical exercise involving several people moving around and clapping cups on a table, and lots of cool harmony.

Alan
 
What a beautiful story Alan. Thank you for sharing. What a terrible loss for so many people who knew him personally and who loved his music. A couple articles I’ve read seemed to hint on his struggle to join the Church, even though it seemed like it was in his heart for many, many years. How sad to be so close…thank you again.

For those of you not familiar with Rich Mullins, the cd I have that I love is ‘Songs’. It’s just an awesome cd - music and lyrics.
 
Alan -

Thank you so much for sharing. Between the chills and the tears I had to say thank you. When one of Mr. Mullins’ songs comes on, I’ll look at my husband and say “he sounds so Catholic!”
 
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kage_ar:
Alan -

Thank you so much for sharing. Between the chills and the tears I had to say thank you. When one of Mr. Mullins’ songs comes on, I’ll look at my husband and say “he sounds so Catholic!”
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Well, lookee what my family found in the items that survived our Good Friday house fire!

This is a photo of Rich taken at All Saints Catholic Church in Wichita, Dec 21, 1996, a few days before his last Christmas. It was a free concert (as was most of his concerts) that he played for Marriage Encounter.

He was supposed to have played at a big fancy, wealthy Church east of here but they declined only a few days before the concert, citing too much interference with Christmas preparations.

I had the sudden delusion that I would love to see Rich play a concert on my own personal piano, and said to my wife, “you know what would be funny, if we could talk Father Busch into letting us having the concert at All Saints and moving my piano there for the occasion.” She took my fantasy seriously, made some phone calls, and it was done. Father Gorges, our energetic young associate pastor (and founder of Totus Tuus) had a friend who supplied a 24 channel sound system for no charge, I had my piano shipped there, tuned at home and then again afterwards in place. He sat down and played a few notes, expressed pleasure at the piano (a seven foot grand, NOT a baby grand as this article about the concert on kidbrother.net states – but I won’t hold that against them) and promptly began to play the third movement of the Moonlight Sonate by Beethoven to test out the piano.

I have some videotape of his playing. He told me I could record the concert as long as I didn’t try to rip off his agents (who had said recording would be prohibited). I told him, “I would love to get video of you playing on my piano,” and he just said, “why don’t you just record the concert?” I said, “they told me I couldn’t, or I would have brought my camera.” He said, “nahh, don’t worry about it. They just are afraid you’re going to try to make money off it.” So he and I left the building together and parted at his jeep, where he went to pick up a few friends last minute before the concert, and I left to go get my videotape camera. I got some crappy video, but I got one song he was just experimenting with but I don’tknow if he ever recorded.

This was just a few months vefore his death, and our only copy I think burned up in our house fire. We have given away a few copies, so they still exist but I’m not sure where.

Here is Father Busch, who said “yes” and then put up with all sorts of hassles to get the sounds system, piano and all set up, amidst Sunday Masses, no less, when this seven foot grand was going to sit right in front of the Altar – nearly regretting saying “yes” but falling in love with Rich almost immediately upon meeting him, and listening in rapt attention to his songs and especially the remarks Rich made between songs. The other priest is Father Gorges, founder of Totus Tuus, and unfortunately missed the bulk of the concert because he was running a lock-in for the CYO in the school gym that night.

Neither priest is still at All Saints. Father Busch is now retired, but I see him every week at 4 pm Mass at St. Anthony, where he celebrates the Mass and I play the music.



In the background, you see the handsome face of my son Chris, who was to turn 9 on Christmas that week. He’s now 17, and graduated from high school.

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Our parish priest at the time, who is now retired, was very conservative but took an immediate liking to Mullins shortly into the concert. Julie asked him what might become of Rich since he was almost Catholic. Father Busch told Julie, “Julie, he was Catholic.”

Alan
As I understand it, while the Church at one time talked of Limbo for unbaptized babies and knew that God wouldn’t condemn non-Christians who never had the real chance to become Christian, after time, the theology is developed that these babies or people who lived good lives guided by their conscience in conformance with God’s will are baptized “by intent” and will go to heaven. I also know that if we are dying without the benefit of a Priest we can “administer” confession direct to God so long as we also pledge to go recieve the sacrament if we don’t die.

Along the same lines, Mullins became Catholic the day that he decided to accept the Church’s teaching. His death before his Confirmation just meant that he never had the opportunity to receive the sacraments.
 
Wow, how I miss Rich Mullins music. Concerts by singer/songwriters are the BEST! He always gave such great insight into what inspired his songs.

Legacy, Liturgy and a Ragamuffin Band was my favorite. And SO obvious of his journey towards Rome.

Keith Green was also an extremely gifted songwriter who made moving music accompany his lyrics. He too sang songs about faith/works (sheep/goats), but strangely he was a fairly typical anti-catholic. Probably he just never encountered the real thing and despised a mere straw man.
 
If you listend to Mullins music he was more catholic than most catholics I know. I feel that his desire was to be catholic and thus he was catholic by desire.

As for Keith Green he actually apologized to catholics before he died for his anti-catholcism he did see them as christian before he died but he was caught up in some extreme fundamentilism earlier in his career and his music and interviews reflect that. I don’t know what made him change his mind to having a more ecunemical bend on catholcism before he died though.
 
I have a Protestant friend who SO loves his music. Once she came to our church for a kids music seminar and saw the Apostles Creed written on the wipe board and said to herself “I think I’m really going to like this church.” HaHaHa! She thought we were teaching the Rich Mullins song, “Creed.” Isn’t it so ironic?

And, at a gathering of different, mostly Protestants, when my Catholic friend was asked, what exactly DID she believe, she started to recite the Apostles Creed. A women said, “Hey, that’s that Rich Mullins song, what’s the name of it …?” 🙂
 
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