Was saint Mary taken up to heaven?

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Was saint Mary taken up to heaven, like Lord Jesus?

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Not quite like Jesus.

Jesus, you see, ‘ASCENDED’ into heaven.

That means that He did so under His own power. He was not ‘taken up’ by another.

His blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary, was ASSUMED into heaven. She was taken there by the power of God; she did not ‘go up’ under her own power.

But yes, both Jesus and Mary are in heaven, BODY AND SOUL.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Not quite like Jesus.

Jesus, you see, ‘ASCENDED’ into heaven.

That means that He did so under His own power. He was not ‘taken up’ by another.

His blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary, was ASSUMED into heaven. She was taken there by the power of God; she did not ‘go up’ under her own power.

But yes, both Jesus and Mary are in heaven, BODY AND SOUL.
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This. 🙂
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Not quite like Jesus.

Jesus, you see, ‘ASCENDED’ into heaven.

That means that He did so under His own power. He was not ‘taken up’ by another.

His blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary, was ASSUMED into heaven. She was taken there by the power of God; she did not ‘go up’ under her own power.

But yes, both Jesus and Mary are in heaven, BODY AND SOUL.
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Actually, in the case of Jesus, it could be both. In one sense, we could say that He rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven by His own divine power (John 2:19-21; 10:17-18), in another we could also say that the Father raised Him and took Him up (Mark 8:31; 16:6, 19; Acts 1:19; 2:24, 32; 4:10; 13:30; Romans 8:11; Galatians 1:1; Colossians 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Corinthians 3:4, etc.)
 
Thanks. Do we must believe in this by faith or we have some kind of evidence for it?
 
javid said:
Thanks. Do we must believe in this by faith or we have some kind of evidence for it?
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As far as I know there is no biblical support for it if that’s what you mean, but it is definitely church dogma. So, yes, it’s a matter we take on faith in the church.
 
Some think that
19* Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. 1 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
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[Revelation 11:19-12:1] suggests it. [Note that the verse and chapter divisions were added long after the original was written, and sometimes are poorly placed.]

The original Ark was hidden in a cave; there is no reason to believe that it was ever taken up to Heaven. Mary is often referred to as the Ark of the New Testament. Like the Ark of the Old Testament, she too contained the Word of God.

In the Old Testament the Ark led the Israelite armies into battle. Here she is leading the armies of Heaven into battle.

Not an official teaching, just a reasonable speculation. **
 
Catholic scholar Ludwig Ott in his book Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (I believe around page 129) says that there is no Biblical evidence for the assumption, and that it first appears in the transitis literature in the 5th or 6th century (these writings were declared heretical by Pope Gelasius if I’m not mistaken). I have asked when the woman of Rev 12:1 was first used as an indication of the assumption, but have not had any response on that question. In my own research, I found a commentary from the 3rd or 4th century that didn’t mention Mary at all in connection to this verse (apparently, the early church thought the woman was the Church).

Personally, I don’t believe she was taken up bodily into heaven. Oddly enough, prior to 1954 (sure it wasn’t 1950?) I would have been OK with the church for my opinion. Since it’s now a dogma, I am anathematized for my opinion (unless the anathema has been removed, but that’s on another thread).
 
Cachonga said:
Catholic scholar Ludwig Ott in his book Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (I believe around page 129) says that there is no Biblical evidence for the assumption, and that it first appears in the transitis literature in the 5th or 6th century (these writings were declared heretical by Pope Gelasius if I’m not mistaken). I have asked when the woman of Rev 12:1 was first used as an indication of the assumption, but have not had any response on that question. In my own research, I found a commentary from the 3rd or 4th century that didn’t mention Mary at all in connection to this verse (apparently, the early church thought the woman was the Church).

Personally, I don’t believe she was taken up bodily into heaven. Oddly enough, prior to 1954 (sure it wasn’t 1950?) I would have been OK with the church for my opinion. Since it’s now a dogma, I am anathematized for my opinion (unless the anathema has been removed, but that’s on another thread).
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I’m not an expert but if this is dogma and not adhering to it makes you anathema, why not make a conscious effort to adhere to it (personally I don’t understand why it even matters, I mean Mary still remains who she is with all the inherent glory whether she died a normal death and was buried or she was assumed into Heaven, but since Church considers it’s serious enough to be a dogma, I fully consent to it, it’s not like it was something that was difficult to do for the Creator of the whole vast universe.)?
 
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Robertanthony:
I’m not an expert but if this is dogma and not adhering to it makes you anathema, why not make a conscious effort to adhere to it (personally I don’t understand why it even matters, I mean Mary still remains who she is with all the inherent glory whether she died a normal death and was buried or she was assumed into Heaven, but since Church considers it’s serious enough to be a dogma, I fully consent to it, it’s not like it was something that was difficult to do for the Creator of the whole vast universe.)?
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Just because God could do something, doesn’t mean He did. I readily admit He could have taken Mary bodily into Heaven, but since the Scriptures are silent about it, I don’t think the church has any solid basis for declaring it to be a dogma. I cannot pretend I believe something that I don’t, hence I will continue to doubt the assumption of the Assumption.
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THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: A BELIEF SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES
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Interesting article, but there are no source documents to look at to confirm what is being asserted. I didn’t find anything to prove that the assumption was believed (much less witnessed) by the early Church or the Apostles. If you could find the sources that were used, I’ll look into them again.
 
What makes more sense, that the sinless, pure, Mother of God, was assumed into Heaven:yup: or that God/Jesus left her body to rot here on earth.:nope:

i believe it’s the former.:yup:
 
itullian said:
What makes more sense, that the sinless, pure, Mother of God, was assumed into Heaven:yup: or that God/Jesus left her body to rot here on earth.:nope:

i believe it’s the former.:yup:
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She was kept by God from original sin and as we know, it is original sin that brought death to the first fully human couple, so it is only fitting that she should have been spared the natural consequence of original sin as she was not “stained” by it. I’ll think we’ll have a whole eternity to marvel at all the wonders that God has done and to gain ever-increasing knowledge of all the mysteries. Fun stuff ahead!
 
javid said:
Hi.

Was saint Mary taken up to heaven, like Lord Jesus?

God bless you.
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No. Mary was assumed into heaven by God after her Dormition, while Christ ascended into heaven by his own power after the Resurrection.
 
itullian said:
What makes more sense, that the sinless, pure, Mother of God, was assumed into Heaven:yup: or that God/Jesus left her body to rot here on earth.:nope:

i believe it’s the former.:yup:
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👍 Somewhere it says that “He will not let His beloved know decay.” While this is often applied to Jesus, but it would seem to apply to Mary also.
 
Hello everyone! I am a protestant (Lutheran) and have always thought that this particular dogma is the one that I could never believe. As noted church doctor Ott noted there is really no evidence to think that this is true. You just have to believe it. Period. Not into that kind of thinking but it’s neat that people are so devout
 
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