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on_the_hill
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Bubblin’ crude. Black gold. Texas tea.
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HopkinsReb
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That, too.HopkinsReb:
Bubblin’ crude. Black gold. Texas tea.
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otjm
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According to the Church, we are required to believe that there was a first man and woman.
After that, the list of things we are required to believe concerning them falls off precipitously.
After that, the list of things we are required to believe concerning them falls off precipitously.
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Zaccheus
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We don’t know how literal the Genesis account is.
Lucifer may have taken the form of a snake or possessed a snake’s body. Or that might only be symbolic, and Lucifer showed himself in some other form, possibly not physical at all.
God’s curse is on Lucifer/Satan, not on physical snakes. The curse is real but the bit about crawling on his belly probably is symbolic.
Lucifer may have taken the form of a snake or possessed a snake’s body. Or that might only be symbolic, and Lucifer showed himself in some other form, possibly not physical at all.
God’s curse is on Lucifer/Satan, not on physical snakes. The curse is real but the bit about crawling on his belly probably is symbolic.
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PetraG
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Definitely an example of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
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PetraG
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In the Genesis account, I’d say the evidence is that Eve was not tempted by a bird, nor by an animal that Adam and Eve had tamed, because Eve was tempted by a wild animal and the text puts birds, wild animals and tame animals into three separate classes of creatures:
So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. (Gen. 2:19-20)
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Now the snake was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He asked the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden’?” (Gen. 3:1)
In my mind, the better question what sort of creature God made to be a talking wild animal. When else in Scriptures does an animal talk? The only time I can think of is Balaam’s donkey, who was able to see the angel of the Lord and rebuked Balaam for the beatings the animal got from Balaam for avoiding the danger Balaam could not see. The texts never say how it was that the donkey was given the gift of speech, either; it does not say that an angel was speaking through the animal.
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kainosktisis
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I can’t stop laughing at this!!! <SNORTING I’M LAUGHING SO HARD AT THIS!!!>
Oh, my stomach’s hurting!!!
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ILoveYeshua
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Can confirm
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OurGodIsWithUs
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LOL it looks like we’re having great fun here! Keep going, and please don’t take any of this to heart. I don’t want to shatter anyone’s faith lol.
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PetraG
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I’ve got to admit that snakes give me the willies. I started to sort of feel sorry for them instead of being afraid of them back when Steve Irwin kept bothering them and gushing about them when they obviously just wanted to get away, but even pictures of snakes still make the hair stand up on the back of my neck a little.
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HopkinsReb
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Yeah, I don’t care about your objections because I reject the notion of a 144-hour creation.OurGodIsWithUs:
Issue with this is that we know what dinosaurs eventually became. As has been said, they weren’t reptiles. Reptiles also existed at the time. Much more likely the serpent was originally a reptile, not a bird, considering that by Adam and Eve’s time the dinosaurs had all become birds.
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I ‘m sorry but saying dinosaurs becoming birds before the time of Adam and Eve is saying this-
1.Evolution is true according to evolution which is not true dinosaurs became birds and this is saying there was a fallen world full of death before Adam and Eve sinning recorded in Genesis 3. Death didn’t come into the world until Adam and Eve sinning
- Evolution happened along with creation both happened. Evolution didn’t happen but creation did.
- Goes against Six day creation in Genesis 1. Well evolution goes against Creation in general, but birds and sea creatures were created on day 5 (Genesis 1:20-23) while dinosaurs along with every other land creature mammals, reptiles etc. and man were created on day six (Genesis 1:24-31)
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HopkinsReb
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I’m rolling my eyes so hard at this question that I’m concerned I’ll actually injure the muscles that move my eyes.
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PetraG
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“What response shall we make to this view [evolution]? It is the affair of the natural sciences to explain how the tree of life in particular continues to grow, and how new branches shoot out from it. This is not a matter for faith. … More reflective spirits have long been aware that there is no either-or here. We cannot say: ‘creation or evolution’, inasmuch as these two things respond to two different realities. The story of the dust of the earth and the breath of God, which we just heard, does not in fact explain how human persons come to be but rather what they are. It explains their inmost origin and casts light on the project that they are. And, vice versa, the theory of evolution seeks to understand and describe biological developments. But in so doing it cannot explain where the ‘project’ of human persons comes from, nor their inner origin, nor their particular nature. To that extent we are faced here with two complementary - rather than mutually exclusive - realities.”
from " In the Beginning: A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall , 1990,
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Pretty sure he counts as a Christian. I don’t have that book myself, but from what I understand it is quite good. In the end, the Church does not take a stance on evolution (or general relativity or any other scientific explanation of the natural world) except to say it is not opposed to the Faith, per se.
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HopkinsReb
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I have a feeling we’re about to be told that the Pope is the antichrist and the Catholic Church was invented in the 4th century by Constantine.
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PetraG
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Some of us are doomed to go through life feeling like Cassandra.
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EndTimes
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Satan’s an angel and dinosaurs were not.
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Dan_Defender
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Exactly this. The mass extinction event leading to their disappearance occurred about 66 million years ago, according to scientists.
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TK421
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Dr Scott Hahn (among other theologians who are actually very notable) believe that Satan’s appearance to Adam & Evil would have been more like an actual dragon as sometimes seen in folklore, though this would have been a demonic, supernatural manifestation rather than a dinosaur.
It does make more sense to see Adam & Eve’s refusal when turning down a terrifying serpent. Adam’s disobedience wasn’t merely complacency but a refusal to be martyred before a foe more powerful than him. Adam was lord over the garden and the animals but Satan was not a plant or an animal or a human being. He was something else entirely that preceded creation and the universe itself. Before Satan, Adam was weak and puny.
It does make more sense to see Adam & Eve’s refusal when turning down a terrifying serpent. Adam’s disobedience wasn’t merely complacency but a refusal to be martyred before a foe more powerful than him. Adam was lord over the garden and the animals but Satan was not a plant or an animal or a human being. He was something else entirely that preceded creation and the universe itself. Before Satan, Adam was weak and puny.
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woolycaterpillar
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Sometimes snakes come up through toilet bowls. Does that tell you anything about Satan’s basic nature?
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