Was St. Patrick a Baptist?

[SaintsPreserveU]

I found this website that kind of disturbed me:

carmichaelbaptist.org/Sermons/landis1.htm

If I were in a conversation with a Baptist and these claims were made about St. Patrick, I’m not sure I could refute them.

For example, the site claims:
Patrick Was A Baptist In Independence From Creeds, Councils, Popes, etc.
In Terms Of The Lord’s Supper, Patrick Was A Baptist.
Patrick Rejects The Roman Catholic Dogma Of Transubstantiation

Are these claims true?

 

[1ke]

Are these claims true?

Of course it’s true. St. Patrick, a bishop in the Catholic Church, was secretly a member of a religous denomination that would not exist for another 1600 years.

 

[jmcrae]

I found this website that kind of disturbed me:

carmichaelbaptist.org/Sermons/landis1.htm

If I were in a conversation with a Baptist and these claims were made about St. Patrick, I’m not sure I could refute them.

The Baptist religion was started in Amsterdam by a group of recovering alcoholics led by a man named John Smythe, during the early 1600s. (Even today, Baptists are still required to refrain from the use of alcohol.)

For example, the site claims:
Patrick Was A Baptist In Independence From Creeds, Councils, Popes, etc.

Patrick was appointed by the Pope to be Bishop of Ireland, and reported back to the Pope on several different occasions. He would have made use of the Apostles’ Creed, and the first edition of the Nicene Creed might even have made it as far as Ireland during his lifetime. Councils were very important to Patrick; he even attended a few of them in his official capacity as Bishop of Ireland.

In Terms Of The Lord’s Supper, Patrick Was A Baptist.

Not likely. Even the Calvinists believed in a spiritual presence - the concept of the elements being symbols only, with no spiritual effect whatsoever on the believer, is a 16th century invention. St. Patrick believed in the Real Presence, without having an explanation for how it came to be.

Patrick Rejects The Roman Catholic Dogma Of Transubstantiation

It would have been difficult for him to “reject” something he never even heard of - the concept of Transubstantiation is how St. Thomas Aquinas (who lived nearly a thousand years after the time of Patrick) explained what we experience as the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

 

[1ke]

There are only two documents that are authentically associated with Patrick:

cin.org/patrick.html

yale.edu/glc/archive/1166.htm

In these documnents, Patrick talks of being ordained, of baptizing, confirming, and ordaining others.

Sounds Catholic to me.

There are no documents that indicate Patrick subscribed to any of the following:

Independence From Creeds, Councils, Popes, etc.

The document links indicate that Patrick certainly did recognize a hierarchy, of which he was a part. He excommunicated Coroticus. Also, in his Confession, his first couple of paragraphs are basically the Nicene Creed in his own words.

In Terms Of The Lord’s Supper, Patrick Was A Baptist.

Neither of Patrick’s letters mention the Eucharist.

Patrick Rejects The Roman Catholic Dogma Of Transubstantiation

The term “transubstantiation” did not exist until over 1000 years after Patrick. He could not have “rejected” a dogma that had not yet been proclaimed. Again, his letters make no mention of the Eucharist. They were concerned with other issues.

 

[Sandalwood]

(Even today, Baptists are still required to refrain from the use of alcohol.)

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WHAT? that’s not true whatsoever! I was a Baptist for 47 years and we had wine for communion and at church dinners even! I don’t know where you got that information but it’s WRONG!

 

[Corki]

Of course it’s true. St. Patrick, a bishop in the Catholic Church, was secretly a member of a religous denomination that would not exist for another 1600 years.

That must be one of the miracles that got him his sainthood.

 

[jmcrae]

WHAT? that’s not true whatsoever! I was a Baptist for 47 years and we had wine for communion and at church dinners even! I don’t know where you got that information but it’s WRONG!

There are a lot of different groups calling themselves “Baptists” - the ones I’m familiar with don’t (or at least didn’t) drink, dance, or go to movies - they were affiliated with Oral Roberts University.

 

[Mark77]

Come on man, wake up & take some time to learn your Faith & don’t fall for the infinite number of false claims made by those who are tricked by Satan!

If you believe St. Patrick was a Baptist, then you probably will fall for the lies that the Bible is false & the Pope is the Anti-Christ…

i also have some prime real estate in the everglades that i would like to sell you.

Sancta Maria, mater Dei, ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus! †

mark

 

[Sandalwood]

There are a lot of different groups calling themselves “Baptists” - the ones I’m familiar with don’t (or at least didn’t) drink, dance, or go to movies - they were affiliated with Oral Roberts University.

well…um…yeah…I wouldn’t call them “Baptists” in the traditional sense of Baptists. Baptists very much dance, drink, go to movies, etc.

 

[jmcrae]

well…um…yeah…I wouldn’t call them “Baptists” in the traditional sense of Baptists. Baptists very much dance, drink, go to movies, etc.

lol, I think they would argue that they were the traditionalists.

 

[Sandalwood]

lol, I think they would argue that they were the traditionalists.

probably, but the church that Oral Roberts created is NOT the Baptist faith that was practiced for hundreds of years before him

 

[ERose]

probably, but the church that Oral Roberts created is NOT the Baptist faith that was practiced for hundreds of years before him

Sandalwood, I live in the Baptist belt of north Louisiana and to be honest with you there are more denominations of Baptist here than you can imagine. But primarily he may be referring to the Southern Baptists. They do look down of drinking and dancing even though they have loosened there stance on this the last 20 years or so. And for communion when they do it which I think that most do it 4 times a year, it is grape juice used and not wine.

Imagine for an instant the theological hoops you have to jump through to claim that when wine is mentioned in the Bible it really refers to grape juice. I have had many argue that point to me when I was younger. I haven’t heard it lately but I don’t hang out with alot of Baptists anymore who are will to talk to me about their faith.