Was the birth of Buddha prophesied?

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I remember an old clip from Archbishop Fulton Sheen that Jesus was the only religious leader to have been prophesied long before his birth.

I vaguely remember alleged stories of Buddha being prophesied as well.

Was he?
 
I remember an old clip from Archbishop Fulton Sheen that Jesus was the only religious leader to have been prophesied long before his birth.

I vaguely remember alleged stories of Buddha being prophesied as well.

Was he?
Buddhist tradition states that a Hindu priest prophesied his future after birth.
 
Didn’t Buddha believe that he had been reincarnated many times? So, he would have prophesied his own rebirth many times?
 
i do not know, but i have read that most of what is known about the buddha comes from writings that were written hundreds of years after he died.
 
I remember an old clip from Archbishop Fulton Sheen that Jesus was the only religious leader to have been prophesied long before his birth.

I vaguely remember alleged stories of Buddha being prophesied as well.

Was he?
Yes he was. Under a previous Buddha, Dipankara Buddha, the future Shakyamuni Buddha was prophesied to be reborn as a Buddha after many lifetimes.

You might also research the Jain religion. Like Buddhism it has a long succession of teachers: Tirthankaras. Around 800 BCE the 23rd Tirthankara, Parshvanatha prophesied that he would be followed by the 24thTirthankara. That was the Mahavira Tirthankara, the last of the current age, and was a contemporary of the Buddha. The names of the 24 Tirthankaras of the next age are already known, though they obviously have not been born yet.

Archbishop Sheen was incorrect.

rossum
 
i do not know, but i have read that most of what is known about the buddha comes from writings that were written hundreds of years after he died.
Buddhist scriptures were transmitted orally for hundreds of years before they were written down. The oral stage is still visible in the numerous repetitions and the prevalence of numbered lists in the earlier scriptures. Both are devices to make oral transmission more accurate.

This was not unusual in India. The Vedas and Upanishads have been through an oral stage as well. In a pre-literate society, orals transmission was essential, as with Homer or the Icelandic Sagas.

rossum
 
Josiah was also prophesied.

1KINGS 13:1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by
the word of the LORD unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to
burn incense.
1KINGS 13:2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD,
and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be
born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he
offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and
men’s bones shall be burnt upon thee.
1KINGS 13:3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign
which the LORD hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be rent, and the
ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.
1KINGS 13:4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the
saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Bethel,
that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And
his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not
pull it in again to him.
1KINGS 13:5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from
the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the
word of the LORD.

In 2 kings 22 Josiah becomes king and leads a revival back to God.
 
Baha’is see a continuity from Abraham to Buddha to Jesus…

*“In one era he is called Abraham, at another time Moses, again he is called Buddha, another time Jesus, and yet another time Mohammad. All turned to the divine reality for their strength. Those who followed Moses accepted him as their mediator; those who followed Zoroaster accepted him as their mediator; but all the Israelites deny Zoroaster, and the Zoroastrians deny Moses. They fail to see in both the one light. Had the Zoroastrians comprehended the reality of Zoroaster, they would have understood Moses and Jesus. Alas! the majority of men attach themselves to the name of the mediator and lose sight of the real purport.”
*
~ Abdu’l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 32
 
I remember an old clip from Archbishop Fulton Sheen that Jesus was the only religious leader to have been prophesied long before his birth.

I vaguely remember alleged stories of Buddha being prophesied as well.

Was he?
Bishop Fulton Sheen said:
To each claimant that he is a messenger sent from God, reason says, “What record was there before you were born that you were coming?”

And

What separates Christ from all men is that first He was expected; even the Gentiles had a longing for a deliverer, or redeemer. This fact alone distinguishes Him from all other religious leaders.

A second distinguishing fact is that once He appeared, He struck history with such impact that He split it in two, dividing it into two periods: one before His coming, the other after it. Buddha did not do this, nor any of the great Indian philosophers. Even those who deny God must date their attacks upon Him, A.D. so and so, or so many years after His coming.

A third fact separating Him from all the others is this: every other person who ever came into this world came into it to live. He came into it to die. Death was a stumbling block to Socrates — it interrupted his teaching. But to Christ, death was the goal and fulfillment of His life, the gold that He was seeking. Few of His words or actions are intelligible without reference to His Cross.

catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/answering-atheists/the-only-person-ever-pre-announced.html
 
A second distinguishing fact is that once He appeared, He struck history with such impact that He split it in two, dividing it into two periods: one before His coming, the other after it.
So, Mohammed is a genuine Prophet of God because the Hijra Era (AH) also divides history in two.
Buddha did not do this
Yes he did. There are calendars based on the date of the Buddha in use in Southeast Asia. This year is 2560 BE.
A third fact separating Him from all the others is this: every other person who ever came into this world came into it to live. He came into it to die.
The Buddha came into the world to avoid living again and to show others how to avoid living again. Your source is obviously ignorant of Buddhism.

rossum
 
So, Mohammed is a genuine Prophet of God because the Hijra Era (AH) also divides history in two… There are calendars based on the date of the Buddha in use in Southeast Asia. This year is 2560 BE.
I would also note that the Nanakshahi calendar followed by the Sikh religion divides history “in two,” starting in 1469 with the birth of the first Sikh guru, Nanak Dev.
 
So, Mohammed is a genuine Prophet of God because the Hijra Era (AH) also divides history in two.

Yes he did. There are calendars based on the date of the Buddha in use in Southeast Asia. This year is 2560 BE.

The Buddha came into the world to avoid living again and to show others how to avoid living again. Your source is obviously ignorant of Buddhism.

rossum
There are various schools of Buddhism, such as Theraveda, Vajirana, and Mahayana. They have different thinking on these things. The Buddhist calendar and epochs are not universally used, so are not like Christian Era.

Epochs:
Buddhist:The traditional calendar is used for Theravada Buddhist festivals. It is not universal. 544 BC (introduced in 1912 by Vajiravudh), other years are used.
Christian, is the birth of Christ, introduced by 525 by Dionysius Exiguus.
Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina in September 622
Bahai from the year of the declaration of the Báb, counted in the Bahá’í Era (BE) – year 1 from March 21, 1844.
 
So it appears Buddha and others were prophesied as well.

Where does that leave us Christians then? Archbishop Fulton Sheen put a lot of importance on this.

I’m kind of disappointed Archbishop Fulton Sheen was wrong on this.
 
So it appears Buddha and others were prophesied as well.

Where does that leave us Christians then? Archbishop Fulton Sheen put a lot of importance on this.

I’m kind of disappointed Archbishop Fulton Sheen was wrong on this.
Why do you think it was wrong? He gave three distinguishing marks. Christ is redeemer, but others were not redeemers. Per Islam, there is no need for a Redeemer. For Buddhism, Gautama Buddha was not Maitreya and there is not redemption but liberation.
 
For Buddhism, Gautama Buddha was not Maitreya and there is not redemption but liberation.
Maitreya Buddha will not be that different from Gautama Buddha. There is a long series of Buddhas, each of whom re-establishes Buddhism after it has declined and disappeared. The life of the Maitreya will be similar to the life of Gautama: birth, enlightenment, preaching and death.

You are correct that there is no redemption in Buddhism, it is not required.

rossum
 
In the Vedic Scriptures like “The Srimad Bhagavatam” (1.3.24), which was written 2500 years before Lord Buddha, there was already his coming prophesised:

“In the beginning of the Kali Yuga, the Supreme Lord Vishnu will incarnate as Buddha, Son of Anjana, at Gaya to delude the Atheists.”
 
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