Was the burning of heretics justified?

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Yet none of these “high-minded” folk have the slightest problem with their beloved Elizabeth I ordering the slaughter of men, women, & children in Ireland… But of course,:cool: the Irish are only poor Celts, trying to subsist under one of history’s most brutal regimes. Oh, I forgot: Bess was Church of England; condemning **her **wouldn’t win any brownie points in an attack on Catholics.:rolleyes: My bad…NOT!!!🤷
No true. Just one of many posts in this thread…and I’ve not been the only one. I’ve always recognized that Anglicans outlawed the Catholic Church and killed Catholics…heck, Anglicans have been able to burn Catholics one day and turn around and burn dissident Protestants the next. Although this made the Anglican Church of the time an equal opportunity persecutor, it didn’t make it right. Nor was it right when done by Catholics either. Period.
…you will have seen that I find persecution on account of one’s faith to be indefensible no matter who is persecuting who. If the Church of England (not the Episcopalians by the way) killed people on account of heresy it was just as wrong as when it was done by, or indirectly on behalf of, the Catholic Church.
 
Ah good old Servetus.

Just for grins and giggles I decided to google Servetus John Calvin.
There is a very interesting book, “Out of the Flames: The Remarkable Story of a Fearless Scholar, a Fatal Heresy, and One of the Rarest Books in the World” by Lawrence Goldstone and Nancy Goldstone, that deals with Servetus, woven into a description of the histories of the three remaining extant original volumes of his book, “Christianity Restored,” which survived despite Calvin’s attempt to destroy them all.

“From Library Journal
The Goldstones, who have written previous volumes about book collecting, here offer a look at the turbulent 1500s and Michael Servetus, a Spanish lay theologian and physician of convictions and brilliance who was executed for his polemical writings. His early desire for a rebirth of Christianity resulted in condemnation, secret flight, and the assumption of a new identity as a medical student in Paris. His studies there resulted in a major medical discovery: understanding the function of our pulmonary circulation system. He became a celebrated physician and a sought-after editor, and moved from being a Catholic to being a reformer, with views of the Trinity that antagonized John Calvin. In the anonymously published Christianismi Restitutio, Servetus reworked additional contentious themes, but the ugly politics of the times caught up with him. He was condemned and burned at the stake, and all but three copies of his book were destroyed. Saved from the flames, these volumes speak triumphantly of the courage of Servetus and the power of the printed word; today, the early roots of the Unitarian Church are seen in his ideas. This fascinating account is recommended for historical and religious collections.”
 
Saved from the flames, these volumes speak triumphantly of the courage of Servetus and the power of the printed word; today, the early roots of the Unitarian Church are seen in his ideas.
Not that I would agree with Michael Servetus.🙂 🙂

But what irritated me the most was that the John Calvin apologists used almost exactly the same excuses as the Catholic apologists here (John Hus was a heretic…Michael Servetus was a heretic).

But wait a minute…if an action is objectively wrong it should matter diddlysquat what the theology of the victim is. What is objectively wrong is the actions of the perpetrators.

The same thing holds for the numbers excuse, the history excuse, the it was the state doing it excuse, and any other excuses. Evil should not be excused. Period.

This does raise the interesting question on why I should have any regard for John Calvin as a teacher of the Word in light of James 3 (let not many of you become teachers my brethren, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement).
 
views of the Trinity that antagonized John Calvin… the ugly politics of the times caught up with him.
Disclaimer: Calvin was as wrong to burn Servetus as anyone else has been.

Observation: as I’m sure all of those web sites have said (although I haven’t read them), Servetus didn’t simply hold views that antagonized John Calvin. That’s like saying that you got a traffic citation for moving your right foot an eight of an inch. And nothing “caught up to” Servetus; like a mosquito he insisted on intruding into Geneva until he goaded the authorities into swatting him.

Disclaimer repeated: Calvin was as wrong to burn Servetus as anyone else has been.
 
Execution of heretics was wrong! No excuses, no matter who did it and no matter by what authority or reason.
 
No injustice can be justified.

Jesus said, before you worry about the sliver in your neighbor’s eye take the plank out of your own. In other words, before you condemn the Catholic Church for the injustices of burning heretics 500 years age remember the reformers hands aren’t all that white.

Closer to home can we be excused for lynching blacks just for sport? Remember the slogan, the only good indian is a dead indian? What about the Jews not being allowed asylum? They ended up being sent back to Germany to die in the gas chambers?

Were our forefathers justified?

Before you start waving your anti-Catholic flag you need to take a closer look at your own history. Somebody once said he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
Many people critisize the catholic church because it would hand heretics over to the authorites for their false teachings. from there the authorities would often execute heretics by burning at the stake.
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That cannot be justified, it would be the same thing as being done or believed by the radical Mullah’sIsalm or Mullah’sSharia to the apostates in these days. One should be rational and logical.
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No injustice can be justified.

Jesus said, before you worry about the sliver in your neighbor’s eye take the plank out of your own. In other words, before you condemn the Catholic Church for the injustices of burning heretics 500 years age remember the reformers hands aren’t all that white.

Closer to home can we be excused for lynching blacks just for sport? Remember the slogan, the only good indian is a dead indian? What about the Jews not being allowed asylum? They ended up being sent back to Germany to die in the gas chambers?

Were our forefathers justified?

Before you start waving your anti-Catholic flag you need to take a closer look at your own history. Somebody once said he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Interesting observation here considering that none of the non-Catholics in this thread are defending anyone’s treatment of African Americans, Native Americans, Jews, etc. In contrast, however, you DO have Catholics in this thread DEFENDING the burning alive of heretics. Go figure. :rolleyes:
 
Closer to home can we be excused for lynching blacks just for sport? Remember the slogan, the only good indian is a dead indian? What about the Jews not being allowed asylum? They ended up being sent back to Germany to die in the gas chambers?

Were our forefathers justified?

Before you start waving your anti-Catholic flag you need to take a closer look at your own history. Somebody once said he who is without sin cast the first stone.
It appears to me that you haven’t read the entire thread of this conversation. For a single example, go to post 333 in which I said

"All of this very much reminds me of arguments I hear about the practice of slavery in the American South.

I am a Southern American woman. My family has been in this area for over 250 years and I take pride in my heritage and identity as such. Many great things have come out of the culture of my heritage, but so have some awful things. I have documented evidence that many of my specific ancestors owned slaves, not just that they were part of a culture that did so. Do I consider this even partially justifiable? No, I do not. It was shameful, horrific and morally wrong then, it is so now… period, end of statement…" and go on to show that I see exactly the same arguments used to justify the immoral action of slaveholding as I see being used on this board today to justify the immoral action of burning people alive based on their religion.

To say that burning people alive is wrong is not “waving an anti-Catholic flag.” If I am waving anything it is an “anti-burning people alive” flag.

Go back and read the original post on this thread:

"Many people critisize the catholic church because it would hand heretics over to the authorites for their false teachings. from there the authorities would often execute heretics by burning at the stake.

I believe that these actions, at the time, were justified because heresy is the cause for the damnation of souls and we execute people for murdering the body but heretics murder thousands of souls with their false teachings. Think about it, which is worse, for one person to die or for thousands to be led astray into hell because of false teachers and descievers…I think that there is a movement today to apologize for these kinds of events but I can’t help but feel that these actions were at least somewhat justified. … Think about it, if the secular governments had dealt with luther the reformation might never have happened, think of all the problems and heesies we have had to deal with becuase of the reformation! "

This is what all of us are responding to…that burning people alive was justifiable morally. Politically, economically and socially expedient, I will grant that, but morally justifiable, no.
 
Interesting observation here considering that none of the non-Catholics in this thread are defending anyone’s treatment of African Americans, Native Americans, Jews, etc. In contrast, however, you DO have Catholics in this thread DEFENDING the burning alive of heretics. Go figure. :rolleyes:
Maybe because the thread is about burning heretics. Mistreatment of any people, is against the Spirit of Christ.
 
To say that burning people alive is wrong is not “waving an anti-Catholic flag.” If I am waving anything it is an “anti-burning people alive” flag.
This ladies and gentlemen is the quote of the thread.👍 👍
 
This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who have participated.

God bless-

Rachel
 
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