was the Catholic womans veil adopted from Islamism?

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…The reason I ask is because Jewish women didnt actually wear them from what i understand. In which case, the virgin mother statues would not actually represent the true image of the virgin mother.

Could it be that during the Muslim invasions of Spain and Constantinople, their customs assimilated into the Catholic faith? When exactly did the Church advise women to cover their heads? Was it before or after Islam?
 
Our Lady does look a somewhat Islamic, if you wanna call it that, in many descriptions. I don’t see that as a a bad thing though.Depicted as truly beautiful too. Not forgetting different skin tones, as well as black.
 
Beautiful!

I’ve seen many images during my year or so looking at religious items on Ebay.

I wish i could paint or sculpt …Alas! Not an artistic bone in my body. 😦
 
I also find it interesting that the clergy wear different types of hats. This tradition must stem from the various styles of Jewish mens headgear worn throughout the ages… I think the kippah (skull cap) is actually modern.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_hat
 
Regulated dress for Jews [and Christians] in the Islamic world

“For dhimmis (non-Muslims) to be clearly distinguishable from Muslims in public, Muslim rulers often prohibited dhimmis from wearing certain types of clothing, while forcing them to put on highly distinctive garments, usually of a bright colour. These included headgear”

“Regulations on dhimmi clothing varied frequently to please the whims of the ruler. Although the initiation of such regulations is usually attributed to Umar I, historical evidence suggests that it was the Abbasid caliphs who pioneered this practice. In 850 the caliph al‑Mutawakkil ordered Christians and Jews to wear both a sash called a zunnah and a distinctive kind of shawl or headscarf called a taylasin (the Christians had already been required to wear the sash).[23] He also required them to wear small bells in public baths.”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_hat
 
TEPO said:
Thats a very nice painting. …I cant imagine why anyone would scar the picture like that. It does add character to the painting though. 👍 It’s just a beautiful piece.
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TEPO,

When i first saw it without reading about it, i thought it, the scar, looked rather tribal. The invaders who caused the scar? were apparently Swedish.

The painting was by Saint Luke the Evangelist by the way.
 
So Our Lady of Lourdes might be thought of as a Muslim by some if she appeared today. I hope she’s treated kindly as they are in here:wink:

It’s great the way she appears to all people in different ways:o
 
simonmic said:
TEPO,

When i first saw it without reading about it, i thought it, the scar, looked rather tribal. The invaders who caused the scar? were apparently Swedish.

The painting was by Saint Luke the Evangelist by the way.
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Very interesting. 👍
 
The Christian tradition of women “veiling”, or covering their heads, long, long, long predates Islam (which didn’t exist until the 7th century). From the very beginning, St. Paul exhorted women to cover their heads:
1 Corinthians 11
2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you. 3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband[a] is the head of his wife,** and God is the head of Christ. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, 5 but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head—it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. 7 For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection[c] of God; but woman is the reflection[d] of man.**
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Of course the Church has the power of binding and loosing and no longer requires women to cover their heads at mass.
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If memory serves, women covering up and veiling was common in pretty much all of the West. It wouldn’t have been uncommon to see Europeans of the time veiling. And I think certainly it wouldn’t be uncommon to see Levantine women veiling.
 
Women have always covered their hair to protect it from dirt and dust, especially in hot countries. It is only since modern plumbing became available to most people in the developed world that women don’t wear hats. My Italian grandmother wore a veil when sshe came to this country.
 
TEPO said:
Ah hah…! So it is true then…🙂

From the link --“Other than the use by a bride (Genesis 24:65) and others (Genesis 38:14, Ruth 3:3), a woman did not go veiled (Genesis 12:14, Genesis 24:15). The present custom in the Middle East to veil the face originates with Islam.”

…I though this was the case.
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Veiling the face is not the same as veiling the head. Even St. Paul in his epistle says the woman should veil her head. Veiling the head did not start with Islam.

1Cor 11:5 - “But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.”
 
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I love so many of the images and names given to The Blessed Virgin. I have always loved the sea and Stella Maris, Star Of The Sea is one name i particularly like.

I only wish i could really believe.
 
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