Was the flood an act of genocide?

[loozcannon]

I agree.

We’re Catholic, not Evangelical Protestants.

Don’t fall for the either/or trick - the one that states that either God is all powerful and therefore allows evil (and is therefore guilty of evil), or he is not all powerful, and therefore not much of a God.

God Is all powerful and Evil happens.

Read this: “The Problem of Evil” by Peter Kreeft.

peterkreeft.com/topics/evil.htm

Read more in the article.

Great stuff! I’ll look into it!

 

[loozcannon]

From what I understand even in Catholicism it’s not clear whether the flood story is metaphorical or literal. I usually see genocide reserved to be used as a word to describe the wide spread killing of a specific group (ethnic, national, racial, religious, …). In the flood story the destruction of an overwhelming majority of land creatures doesn’t sound very targeted. So it doesn’t sound like it was technically genocide. But it would still be a form of killing.

Moving away from semantic disagreements for a moment, ask yourself what is there to gain from engaging the group that posted the picture. Is this a battle worth fighting? You’ll find no shortage of disagreements on the Internet about any matter. So you may find it necessary to be selective about which ones you engage and which ones you ignore. I speculate this may be a battle for which there is nothing to gain.

Correct, your first paragraph is what comes to my mind when I think of genocide; targeting of a certain race for a specific cause.

Oh no, I didn’t go to the actual page! He shared it from them, and I responded back to his post. I usually don’t debate on those types of pages. I agree, nothing to gain!

 

[loozcannon]

Genesis 6:17 “Behold I will bring the waters of a great flood upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, under heaven. All things that are in the earth shall be consumed.” Destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. Not, destroy all flesh. The ark was a means to preserve flesh, at the behest of Noah who found favor. The Sons of God breeding with the Daughters of Man produced a wickedness that had to be remedied; the same wickedness produced when Cain married and produced a line that begat monsters like Lamech.

Whoa… great point! Question though, does not all of mankind have the “breath of life”?

 

[loozcannon]

Don’t respond to those kind of memes. They hope you will respond so that it will spread further to more people. And the others it will spread to most likely won’t even see your comment. They will only see the meme. So don’t respond to these. They are nothing but trolling.

Yeah, I didn’t comment on the original page that hosted it, just to my friend’s shared post of it. As it’s been said before, Facebook is not the place for philosophical (and often civil) conversation.

 

[loozcannon]

Blaming God for a natural disaster (flood, earthquake, hurricane) is ridiculous. Only in case of a meteor or a comet or something external striking the earth would I suspect a hand of God.

In case of natural catastrophes, they could very well be the fault of men (like a flood caused by a dam built incorrectly or in the wrong place or an earthquake caused by nuclear testing) or just the consequence of natural cycles. I don’t believe God interferes in natural occurrences on the planet one way or the other (if he did, it would probably be to mitigate harmful actions by humans)…

Right, I think your comment kind of reflects on the posting about the either/or situation about God allowing (therefore being) evil or not.

Though I suppose, one could argue that indirectly, God is responsible for natural disasters.

 

[loozcannon]

Unfortunately, that comes off alaringly similar to what an abuser says to someone he or she is abusing.

Perhaps, but only God can perfectly make that decision. Your example is caused by a warped mind. But I can see the parallels.

 

[Semangelof]

Your response was right on.

It’s a funny pic until you realize that the flood was only part 1. After that it’s not really funny anymore.

 

[AndyF]

Y I do believe Noah’s story really happened as it is written in the Bible. I do believe scientists are far away from knowing this world.

Some scientists believe that the sudden breaking of the land barrier at Bosphorus and the filling of the Black Sea was the scene of this flood. I think they said it dates to 9000 years, if I recall correctly.

 

[StrawberryJam]

You see, when Galileo was condemned allmost all the scientific world was against Galileo; Galileo made a living working in a university sponsored by the church; the condemnation was very very light as Galileo was too old to travel to some other town, but hurting his feelings as a catholic. But always the atehist banner says “The church is against science, look what happened to Galileo”
Why would the church be involved again in such a dispute like e. theory? Scientists change their theories all the time, they are so happy for a new revolutionary discovery…and forget they believed the previous theory. I do believe Adam and Eve were the very first two human persons on Earth. I do believe Noah’s story really happened as it is written in the Bible. I do believe scientists are far away from knowing this world.

You can believe what you wish. Just don’t pretend that you believe anything you list here as being based on anything but faith.
I would agree with you that scientists are far away from knowing this world.
That is a compliment.
Much better than making the mistake of claiming something that is later shown false. And requiring one to ascribe to false things.

 

[inocente]

How other than that, I’m not really sure if that answered it well enough. How’d I do? Any tips/pointers/answers?

The word ecocide is closer than genocide, the deity figure is so vexed he not only kills all the adults, and all the children, but all the animals and plants as well.

A regional flood is a terrifying natural event, and unfortunately humans have a natural tendency to think the victims are to blame and are being punished, just as some blamed Hurricane Katrina on the supposed immorality of New Orleans.

There are lots of flood myths around the world. The Genesis tale ties in with the Genesis 1 creation myth. It undoes creation by taking away the vault which was used to separate the waters of chaos in verse 1:6, returning the earth to its original chaotic state.

It’s all part of an ancient mythology which tried to explain why we’re here, why we die, why we should look after each other, why life is important. But there isn’t really a vault separating the firmaments, God never did any of it, and your atheist friend misses the whole point of mythology by taking it literally. It’s like someone in a few thousand years’ time finding a copy of Ice Age IV and taking it for real.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Genesis 6:17 “Behold I will bring the waters of a great flood upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, under heaven. All things that are in the earth shall be consumed.” Destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. Not, destroy all flesh. The ark was a means to preserve flesh, at the behest of Noah who found favor. The Sons of God breeding with the Daughters of Man produced a wickedness that had to be remedied; the same wickedness produced when Cain married and produced a line that begat monsters like Lamech.

Dave,

How did this flood not destroy all plant life?