Was the last synod 'rigged'? Tell-all book lets the reader decide [CNA]

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Hi all,

I try to be faithful catholic raising my children in the faith… but I am very nervous about the synod on the family 2015.
If the bishops “come out” pro homosexual I cannot in good faith remain in the RCC but on the other hand I cannot abandon the RCC when she is most in need.
Am I the only one with these concerns, what actions are you considering if such a thing were to happen…
 
Pope Francis has made a lot of statements affirming the unchanging teachings of the Church. The synod was called to examine current issues that are affecting catholic families and how to approach them with the best Catholic approach possible. Every indication so far is that Pope Francis is faithful and attentive to Gods word and that we can trust his judgement in every way. I hope you are able to let go of your fears and block out any hostile opinions of the synod and Pope Francis!
 
Thanks for your answer, I have no hostility towards the Pope or the synod… recent history has taught to hope for the best but prepare for the worst… this question comes from a concerned heart trying to get prepared not a critical heart “throwing stones”
 
It is impossible for error to be officially promulgated. (Papal Infallibility)

God Love you
 
Hi all,

I try to be faithful catholic raising my children in the faith… but I am very nervous about the synod on the family 2015.
If the bishops “come out” pro homosexual I cannot in good faith remain in the RCC but on the other hand I cannot abandon the RCC when she is most in need.
Am I the only one with these concerns, what actions are you considering if such a thing were to happen…
I’m not nervous. My faith isn’t in the bishops or even in the pope; my faith is in God. Jesus made us a promise and the Holy Spirit will protect the Church from error in matters of faith and morals.

This Pope canonized St. John Paul II as part of the last meeting of this synod of the family, and writings of JPII on the Theology of the Body are beautiful, true and difficult. If you’re living your life trying to be a faithful Catholic you must know that the Church teachings aren’t always easy to follow. I operate from the assumption that (most of) the bishops and the pope are simply trying to be good shepherds and reach out to the members of their flock who have gone astray when they discuss matters of homosexuality, divorce and such. The family has been torn apart and some people have a poor understanding of basic words like “mother” and “father”. As part of the larger Christian family, we have an obligation to pray for our brothers and sisters who have strayed.

While I’m not exactly nervous, I do feel like I should pray and fast for our bishops and the pope. These are not easy times. It’s hard to reach out to those who have fallen away without having the media twist the words and the message into something that doesn’t aligns with Church teachings. Mercy and forgiveness have always been part of Catholic Teachings. The story of the “Good Shepherd” who goes out to find the lost sheep is part of the Gospel. Also in the Gospel is the parable of the enemy who goes out and spreads weed seeds in the newly seeded field. If you hear or read anything in the news about official church teachings changing, carefully read what the bishops as a whole teaching in union with the pope have actually said or written. Remember that an individual bishop or even a group of bishops doesn’t always speak for the Church.

I encourage you to take your concerns to prayer for our bishops at the synod on the family. And I also encourage you to include some fasting with those prayers. Any struggles you have in trying to live and raise your children as faithful Catholics can be added in and “offered up” as well. The Holy Spirit will protect the Church, but we’re invited to share in the life of the Church, so we should pray, fast and offer sacrifices for our pope and the bishops.
 
This Pope canonized St. John Paul II as part of the last meeting of this synod of the family, and writings of JPII on the Theology of the Body are beautiful, true and difficult.
Blessed Pope Paul VI was beatified, not Saint Pope John Paul II Canonized.

I operate from the assumption that (most of) the bishops and the pope are simply trying to be good shepherds and reach out to the members of their flock who have gone astray when they discuss matters of homosexuality, divorce and such.
While I wish this were true, I think we have few good bishops these days. In the U.S.A. anyway…
To the OP,

This is not cause for despair, however. We only have to look back to the great Heresy of Arianism. 2/3’s of the bishops were in error, but the Church did not error. Thanks to the saints of that time and more thanks to the Holy Spirit, the Church triumphed over Arianism.

May God Abundantly Bless you and your family
 
This article provides some exploration of the behind the scenes events of the past preparatory synod. Sure there are attempts to manipulate the outcome, but I’m not worried. Doctrine will not be changed.
 
Hi all,

I try to be faithful catholic raising my children in the faith… but I am very nervous about the synod on the family 2015.
If the bishops “come out” pro homosexual I cannot in good faith remain in the RCC but on the other hand I cannot abandon the RCC when she is most in need.
Am I the only one with these concerns, what actions are you considering if such a thing were to happen…
If you are a “faithful Catholic”, not a single outcome of this or any other synod should concern you. ANY change coming from the result of the synod should be embraced, not rejected.

For those who leave the Church as the result of the synod should know that the Church is not leaving them, but they are leaving the Church, and those of us remaining faithful member’s of Christ’s church will pray for you and your salvation.
 
From the referenced article:

"In a television interview on October 16 with Catholic News Service, Cardinal Pell said the document was “tendentious, skewed, it didn’t represent accurately the feelings of the synod fathers.” He said “three-quarters” of those who discussed it afterward “had some problems with the document”. He added that “a major absence” in the document was scriptural teaching and “a treatment of the Church tradition”.

catholicworldreport.com/Item/4131/the_rigging_of_a_vatican_synod.aspx
 
This article provides some exploration of the behind the scenes events of the past preparatory synod. Sure there are attempts to manipulate the outcome, but I’m not worried. Doctrine will not be changed.
I personally can’t abide that particular reporter. I read the whole article through carefully as I always do with his diatribes… and could very quickly detect what seed of doubt and disharmony he was planting in the unsuspecting reader… as demonstrated by the follow up comments.

We know from Pope Francis Christmas speech to the Curia, what sort of entrenched bureaucracy has had a strangle hold of the Vatican machine for a very long time and he is not culturally intimidated by it. I would guess that the interim report was less of a deliberately manipulated document, and more the product of new raw procedures of reporting that bypassed the controlling bureaucrats. Pope Francis is wont to call a spade a spade and while his style makes most of us feel warm and trusting of his ponitificate… there are going to be others who want to bring it down anyway they can.
 
A new book about the 2014 Extraordinary Synod on the Family alleges evidence of a hidden agenda pushed by a handful of bishops in positions of influence.

“I felt it was important to investigate what happened, because I’d heard – and many people had heard – about these accusations and allegations of manipulation during the last synod,” said Edward Pentin, author of “The Rigging of a Vatican Synod?”

“And as a journalist, I felt that our task is to search for the truth, uncover the truth in the name of justice,” he told CNA in a recent interview.

A long-time freelance reporter in Rome, Pentin covered the 2014 Synod on the Family and afterward spoke with numerous sources – some anonymous, some who are named – who were connected with the synod and who alleged that a hidden agenda was at work.

Pentin is the new Rome correspondent for the National Catholic Register, which like CNA is owned and operated by EWTN.

While there was no conspiratorial coup of the synod, Pentin clarified, there was an effort by a handful of bishops to insert their own agenda into the process of discussing pastoral care of families.

Although he made no definitive conclusion of a secret agenda in the book, Pentin said that he compiled evidence from his interviews and research to present it to the reader to formulate his own conclusions.

The “injustice” that Pentin found was that Pope Francis’ vision of all the bishops present at the synod being heard was not only being ignored but was “aggressively disregarded.”

“The injustice to me was that one side was complaining of being not properly heard, and bizarrely that side was the one that was trying to uphold the Church’s tradition and teaching,” he said.

However, bishops on “all sides” complained to Pentin about the lack of dialogue and transparency, he maintained.

“I wanted to bring in all sides. So I’ve spoken to those on the so-called liberal wing of the Church, and I’ve spoken to those who are trying to uphold the Church’s tradition and teaching,” he told CNA.

“I wasn’t out to get anyone. I wasn’t out to pursue an agenda. I just wanted to get to the truth.”

Pentin details numerous allegations of a hidden agenda at work. “There are quite a few new things in the book which people don’t know about,” he said.

For instance, the debate over allowing reception of Communion by divorced-and-remarried persons took center stage at the synod, although it was “hardly discussed” there, Pentin said.

Once the matter appeared in the controversial mid-term report which was released to a firestorm of media misinformation and confusion, many bishops knew that an agenda was being pushed from behind the scenes, he said.

“It eclipsed a lot of the discussions at the synod, even though it was hardly discussed and hardly a subject for the synod,” Pentin explained. Many were worried about it being debated at length “because it’s used as a vehicle to bring in Church recognition of same-sex unions, cohabitation, and changes to the Church’s teaching on sexuality.”

The cardinal ultimately responsible for producing the controversial mid-term report or interim relatio, Cardinal Péter Erdö of Hungary, was “bullied and coerced and pushed to write documents that he really didn’t want to write” by others in the secretariat, Pentin charged.

Cardinal Wilfrid Napier of Durban, who “was trying to uphold the Church’s tradition” on same-sex unions, the author continued, was marginalized during the efforts to draft the final report at the synod.

“He tried to make a point at one of the meetings with Cardinal Baldisseri and the other synod officials, and he was ignored,” Pentin said, “two times I think he was ignored.”

Cardinal Napier had not wanted to include the matter of same-sex unions in the topic of “marriage,” he continued. Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C. was outraged at the treatment of Cardinal Napier and made it known at the meeting that he must be listened to.

In another story, Pentin told of how bishops at the synod tried to intimidate the editor of a major work defending Catholic doctrine, a book that was sent to all the synod bishops.

Fr. Robert Dodaro was the editor of “Remaining in the Truth of Christ,” a compilation of chapters from bishops and theologians defending Church teaching on Communion for divorced-and-remarried persons. The book was sent to each synod bishop before the gathering.

However, it was “clear” how “various officials working in the synod tried to get him removed,” Pentin said.

There’s even a chapter about previous synods which was important to include for historical context.

“This is not a synod like in the old days before the Second Vatican Council. It’s not really a canonical body, it doesn’t really have much weight. It’s more of a consultative body for the Pope, upon which he can take a decision,” he explained.

This is “important” to know because of “those pushing this agenda to make this synod into something much bigger than it really is,” he said. “And I think a lot of them would consider it be almost like a Third Vatican Council.”

Despite the controversy, Pentin hopes the synod is ultimately “catechetical,” since “it will bring to the forefront what the Church really teaches through this debate.”

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I personally can’t abide that particular reporter. I read the whole article through carefully as I always do with his diatribes… and could very quickly detect what seed of doubt and disharmony he was planting in the unsuspecting reader… as demonstrated by the follow up comments.

We know from Pope Francis Christmas speech to the Curia, what sort of entrenched bureaucracy has had a strangle hold of the Vatican machine for a very long time and he is not culturally intimidated by it. I would guess that the interim report was less of a deliberately manipulated document, and more the product of new raw procedures of reporting that bypassed the controlling bureaucrats. Pope Francis is wont to call a spade a spade and while his style makes most of us feel warm and trusting of his ponitificate… there are going to be others who want to bring it down anyway they can.
I confess I don’t know a lot about the particular author. No doubt he has his own point of view. What I got from the article was that many participants were not happy that the mid-term report was prepared and issued without the synod fathers having a chance to review it.

I think that’s a distinct issue from the Vatican bureaucracy, in any case.
 
I understand how you feel. It is a shame that the smoke of satan is strong enough in the Church to burn the eyes and throats of some of the faithful. The most important and meaningful thing you can do is, rather than worrying, deepen your prayer life, do numerous acts of faith and reparation for sin throughout the day, and ensure that you are being faithful to Christ and this words in even the smallest parts of your life. Your holiness will help renew the Church.

Second, consider the words spoken a few days ago by the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Cardinal Muller, one of the pope’s theological advisors and also one of the true guardians of the faith, about the some of the debate around the synod:

“By all means, it is attempted—exegetical, historical, history of dogma studies and with reference to psychology and sociology—to deconstruct the Catholic teaching on marriage, which arises from the teaching of Jesus, and put it into perspective, only so that the Church appears compliant with society. Whoever is faithful to the teachings of the Church, will be combated in the press and even more vilified as an opponent of the Pope, as it if were not the case that the Pope and all the bishops in communion with him would be witnesses of revealed truth, which was transferred to them for faithful administration so they are not lowered by human beings to human proportion.

We must not be fooled when it comes to the sacramental nature of marriage, its indissolubility, its openness to the generation of children, and the fundamental complementarity of the two sexes. * Pastoral care must have in view eternal salvation.”*

He was in Germany—of all places—when he spoke those words, introducing a new book by the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, Cardinal Robert Sarah, who wrote this in his book, God or Nothing:

“The idea of putting Magisterial teaching in a beautiful display case while separating it from pastoral practice, which then could evolve along with circumstances, fashions, and passions, is a sort of heresy, a dangerous schizophrenic pathology. I therefore solemnly state that the Church in Africa is staunchly opposed to any rebellion against the teaching of Jesus and of the Magisterium… The Church of Africa is committed in the name of the Lord Jesus to keeping unchanged the teaching of God and of the Church.”

Wow, right? I don’t know what will happen next month, but I do know that it feels reassuring that those two great men are going to be there, proclaiming the Gospel. And I also know that God is in control and whatever is happening, God will use it for his own purposes.

Finally, for your own sake, stop reading the secular press about anything Catholic. Turn it off. Click the red square in the upper-right corner of the screen. Close the newspaper. Turn. It. Off.
 
By the way, Edward Pentin’s book was endorsed by Cardinal Napier, who was at the previous synod and who is currently a member of the committee overseeing preparation of the next synod. He seems like an awfully credible person.
 
I confess I don’t know a lot about the particular author. No doubt he has his own point of view. What I got from the article was that many participants were not happy that the mid-term report was prepared and issued without the synod fathers having a chance to review it.

I think that’s a distinct issue from the Vatican bureaucracy, in any case.
Edward Pentin was the one who misrepresented the news source he was reporting for (was working for one hostile to non traditionalist points of view), to Cardinal Kasper as they were leaving the synod one day and caused the initial trouble around the Cardinal.

His reporting is not impartial in that he doesn’t recognise the scope of agendas that are at work… only what’s seen as a ‘liberal’ agenda. Pope Francis in his final address at the closing of the synod defined two types of error in treating of these current issues. The deceptive mercy aspect on the extreme end of liberalism and the hostile inflexibility that closes one in the letter of the law of the traditionalists and intellectuals.

When the critics say that the issues of divorced/remarried and homosexuality weren’t discussed at the synod so why were they in the mid term… the fact is that they were a significant part of the preparatory process of the synod. 5 conservative Cardinals even compiled a book response on those topics that they issued to the synod member before the synod even began.

There is certainly agendas in the Church seeking to rewrite doctrine but there are also a powerful agendas that seek to silence legitimate, healthy, spirit filled, courageous discussion about issues that concern a significant number of Catholics and their families. The mid term report, while obviously shoddy in many ways, reflects issues that were supposed to be part of synod discussion and were part of the preparatory process of the synod well before the official opening.
 
. The mid term report, while obviously shoddy in many ways, reflects issues that were supposed to be part of synod discussion and were part of the preparatory process of the synod well before the official opening.
You were at the synod, then? Because it is simply amazing that despite what a high-ranking cardinal at the synod has said, and despite thorough journalistic accounts of what happened, that you would claim such full knowledge about what really happened. I confess that I’ve also heard that it wasn’t nearly as contentious as it was portrayed, so at best the whole question is foggy.

Although I suspect that if the midterm relatio was as uncontroversial as you suggest, it wouldn’t have been hacked to pieces before the final relatio was written.
 
You were at the synod, then? Because it is simply amazing that despite what a high-ranking cardinal at the synod has said, and despite thorough journalistic accounts of what happened, that you would claim such full knowledge about what really happened. I confess that I’ve also heard that it wasn’t nearly as contentious as it was portrayed, so at best the whole question is foggy.

Although I suspect that if the midterm relatio was as uncontroversial as you suggest, it wouldn’t have been hacked to pieces before the final relatio was written.
We know for a fact that Pope Francis had invited Card. Kasper to present his thesis on divorced/remarriage at the synod and that it was heavily discussed prior to the synod. We know that the book Remaining in the Truth of Christ was a comprehensive response to Card. Kaspers thesis and the homosexual and cohabitation outside married issues, written and issued prior to the synod. We know for a fact that some of the Cardinals didn’t even want the issues brought up at all.

The types of holes that were picked in the interim report really seemed unworthy of the reaction it got but I clearly lay that reaction at the door of sensationalists and muckrackers who knew exactly what they were doing. I personally feel Edward Pentin is part of that.
 
Thanks for your answer, I have no hostility towards the Pope or the synod… recent history has taught to hope for the best but prepare for the worst… this question comes from a concerned heart trying to get prepared not a critical heart “throwing stones”
No I wasn’t suggesting that you have hostility, I was just saying don’t listen to much to others ‘hostile voices’. They will always be there causing fear and despair. Even Pope St JohnXIII had to address it at the opening of Vatican 2 all those 50 years ago…

**In the daily exercise of our pastoral office, we sometimes have to listen, much to our regret, to voices of persons who, though burning with zeal, are not endowed with too much sense of discretion or measure. In these modern times they can see nothing but prevarication and ruin. They say that our era, in comparison with past eras, is getting worse, and they behave as though they had learned nothing from history, which is, none the less, the teacher of life. They behave as though at the time of former Councils everything was a full triumph for the Christian idea and life and for proper religious liberty.

We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world were at hand.

In the present order of things, Divine Providence is leading us to a new order of human relations which, by men’s own efforts and even beyond their very expectations, are directed toward the fulfilment of God’s superior and inscrutable designs. And everything, even human differences, leads to the greater good of the Church.**

The Church is still struggling to implement the visions for the Church that came from Vatican II.
 
Hi all,

I try to be faithful catholic raising my children in the faith… but I am very nervous about the synod on the family 2015.
If the bishops “come out” pro homosexual I cannot in good faith remain in the RCC but on the other hand I cannot abandon the RCC when she is most in need.
Am I the only one with these concerns, what actions are you considering if such a thing were to happen…
I understand your concerns very well. Please pray for the coming synod to be faithful to the church’s teachings.

In case they use the name of mercy to embrace sin of sodomy, just remember our faith is in Christ and in his Gospel, not in human beings. I have been praying and thinking about the possible situation. In case what we are afraid of coming true, I will remain faithful to the teaching of Christ still. We cannot control other people, but we can do our best to control our heart and remain faithful. Even if everybody is calling black white, as long as we know black is black and white is white, we can stick to the truth we know. This may be hard, but with God’s help we can do it.

Remember “mercy” without truth is not mercy at all. If we believe the Scripture’s teaching that sodomy is a sin for hell and if we encourage people to engage in sodomy, we are actually sending them to hell. This is not love, it is malice. Nothing is more important than being with God in eternity. For true mercy, we should encourage people to live in chastity and follow Christ’s teaching.

And be careful when you read different responses from the internet. There are people who want to twist the truth and want to twist your belief. Just be very careful.
 
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