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Always blasting the Trads and everything that they say as garbage, that is calumny at its worst. For that matter, I probably believe more of what the Trads say, and question what comes out of the Vatican, like the latest Fatima fiasco where the Pope pushed for the “Ecumenicalization” of our beloved shrine, then when the only group to stand up to the desecration, St Pius X stood up and made waves, the Vatican backed down and said they had nothing to do with this, while the Bishop there stated he was told to allow the Hindu worship by the Pope himeself.
On a second note, this is right out of Spirit daily, a Novus Ordo Periodical that I read daily, written by Novus Ordo writers, who put a different spin on this Padre Pio controversy, and they are saying that he started to incorporate some of the Novus Ordo into his mass, but still did not agree with Vatican II, and as far as his age at the age of 81, 90% of the priests now are probably over the age of 70, as I read there are more priests over the age of 75 than under 35
Spirit Daily
Former Aide To Padre Pio Says The Saint Had Incorporated Part Of The New Mass
By Michael H. Brown
An Italian priest who served as a liaison between the famed Capuchin St. Padre Pio and English-speaking followers says that the saint had incorporated elements of the new or *“Novus Ordo” *Mass into his own celebrations of the liturgy before his death in 1968 despite rumors to the contrary.
The assisting priest, Padre Ermelindo Di Capua – currently stationed in San Giovanno, Italy, where St. Pio spent nearly his entire ministry – says the saint strictly adhered to dictates from Rome and sought information on precisely what he needed to do in order to conform with new strictures as the liturgy was changed from the Latin Rite after Vatican II.
The remarks are significant at a time when controversy has arisen over both the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo and the reaction to it by Pio – considered a paragon of discernment.
It also comes at a time of enhanced interest (including here) of reintroducing elements of the Latin Rite into the modern Mass to bring back its mystical aspects. “It’s not just old-timers wanting to cling to pre-Vatican II ways who are coming to the liturgies,” notes one newspaper recently. “People in their twenties and thirties are filling many of the pews, finding serenity and a sense of awe in the solemn rituals.” Additional interest has been sparked by director Mel Gibson, who recently made headlines with his movie about the Passion and who reportedly adheres only to the Latin Rite.
While there is no indication that Pio embraced all the reforms of Vatican II – and indeed are even reports that he was distressed by certain Church trends – Padre Ermelindo told Spirit Daily there was no indication that the saint opposed the new way of saying Mass, which has the priest facing the congregation and speaking in the national vernacular, which many believe detracts from reverence.
Ermelindo notes that the *Novus Ordo *is the only rite used at San Giovanni today and that visiting priests who request to use the Latin Rite are denied in conformance with the national bishops.
“He used to say Mass according to the new order,” asserts the Franciscan, who lived in the same monastery as Pio and answered his English-speaking correspondence. “By 1968 [when Pio died] the new order was not yet complete, but had changed some things from Latin into the Italian language. He attempted to say Mass according to the new disposition of the Church. He tried to learn and adapt himself to the new rules of the Mass. There was still some Latin. It wasn’t yet completely changed. The canon I don’t remember exactly.” "
Latin proponents have asserted that in fact Pio never did recite the new rite. “When the Mass of 1965 was introduced, bearing the first changes that were the precursors to the *Novus Ordo, *Padre Pio, without even reading the text, publicly took the position that he did not want to celebrate it,” claimed one such correspondent. “He died before the full-blown Novus Ordo was issued in 1969 (and then recalled for doctrinal flaws).”
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On a second note, this is right out of Spirit daily, a Novus Ordo Periodical that I read daily, written by Novus Ordo writers, who put a different spin on this Padre Pio controversy, and they are saying that he started to incorporate some of the Novus Ordo into his mass, but still did not agree with Vatican II, and as far as his age at the age of 81, 90% of the priests now are probably over the age of 70, as I read there are more priests over the age of 75 than under 35
Spirit Daily
Former Aide To Padre Pio Says The Saint Had Incorporated Part Of The New Mass
By Michael H. Brown
An Italian priest who served as a liaison between the famed Capuchin St. Padre Pio and English-speaking followers says that the saint had incorporated elements of the new or *“Novus Ordo” *Mass into his own celebrations of the liturgy before his death in 1968 despite rumors to the contrary.
The assisting priest, Padre Ermelindo Di Capua – currently stationed in San Giovanno, Italy, where St. Pio spent nearly his entire ministry – says the saint strictly adhered to dictates from Rome and sought information on precisely what he needed to do in order to conform with new strictures as the liturgy was changed from the Latin Rite after Vatican II.
The remarks are significant at a time when controversy has arisen over both the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo and the reaction to it by Pio – considered a paragon of discernment.
It also comes at a time of enhanced interest (including here) of reintroducing elements of the Latin Rite into the modern Mass to bring back its mystical aspects. “It’s not just old-timers wanting to cling to pre-Vatican II ways who are coming to the liturgies,” notes one newspaper recently. “People in their twenties and thirties are filling many of the pews, finding serenity and a sense of awe in the solemn rituals.” Additional interest has been sparked by director Mel Gibson, who recently made headlines with his movie about the Passion and who reportedly adheres only to the Latin Rite.
While there is no indication that Pio embraced all the reforms of Vatican II – and indeed are even reports that he was distressed by certain Church trends – Padre Ermelindo told Spirit Daily there was no indication that the saint opposed the new way of saying Mass, which has the priest facing the congregation and speaking in the national vernacular, which many believe detracts from reverence.
Ermelindo notes that the *Novus Ordo *is the only rite used at San Giovanni today and that visiting priests who request to use the Latin Rite are denied in conformance with the national bishops.
“He used to say Mass according to the new order,” asserts the Franciscan, who lived in the same monastery as Pio and answered his English-speaking correspondence. “By 1968 [when Pio died] the new order was not yet complete, but had changed some things from Latin into the Italian language. He attempted to say Mass according to the new disposition of the Church. He tried to learn and adapt himself to the new rules of the Mass. There was still some Latin. It wasn’t yet completely changed. The canon I don’t remember exactly.” "
Latin proponents have asserted that in fact Pio never did recite the new rite. “When the Mass of 1965 was introduced, bearing the first changes that were the precursors to the *Novus Ordo, *Padre Pio, without even reading the text, publicly took the position that he did not want to celebrate it,” claimed one such correspondent. “He died before the full-blown Novus Ordo was issued in 1969 (and then recalled for doctrinal flaws).”
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