Was the Vatican ruling against Mormon baptisms unprecendented?

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mercytruth said:
Do you think this implies that Mormon baptisms are principally for initiation, rather than for the forgiveness of sins?

God’s peace

micah
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No, LDS baptisms by their doctrine are for the remission of sins.
 
Marie5890 said:
No, LDS baptisms by their doctrine are for the remission of sins.
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Thank you, I just looked it up and you are correct. Do you have any understanding of which of the three requirements for a valid baptism are missing and in what way?

God’s peace

micah
 
mercytruth said:
Maybe this is why the article states that it is unprecedented for the Roman Catholic church to invalidate the baptisms of Mormons eventhough they claim to be Christians.
I do not think the Roman Catholic Church has invalidated the baptisms of Jehovah Witnesses either. Though they would probably be required to undergo a ‘conditional baptism’ without the prayer of exorcism upon entering the Roman Catholic church.

God’s peace

micah
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When Mormon becomes a Catholic (and assuming s/he has never been baptized in an other faith), the baptism is not “conditional”…

The RCC has declared that LDS baptism are invalid. Period.

And for what it’s worth, the LDS church has as similar belief. IE all baptism other than the LDS baptism are invalid. All.

When one joins the LDS church, they are baptized regardless of any previous baptism
 
Marie5890 said:
When Mormon becomes a Catholic (and assuming s/he has never been baptized in an other faith), the baptism is not “conditional”…

The RCC has declared that LDS baptism are invalid. Period.

And for what it’s worth, the LDS church has as similar belief. IE all baptism other than the LDS baptism are invalid. All.

When one joins the LDS church, they are baptized regardless of any previous baptism
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Yes, prior to the Vatican ruling of 2001, Roman Catholic baptisms of Mormons were ‘conditional’. So do you know which of three requirements for baptism are now construed as missing and in what way?

God’s peace

micah
 
Marie5890 said:
Perhaps this link will help

wwrn.org/articles/5920/?&place=vatican&section=mormon

zenit.org/article-1975?l=english

Also, the Catholic church does not accept JW’s baptism either, amongst others.
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But don’t those links go against what was said in these posts:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9907235&postcount=28
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9907254&postcount=29

and how the ancient church handled Arian baptisms, who are non-Trinitarians?
 
What it boils down to, is since the mormon church has a skewed view of the Trinity in comparison to mainstream Christianity, they therefore cannot have the same intent.

Those 2 things invalidate mormon baptisms. Simple as that.
 
twopekinguys said:
What it boils down to, is since the mormon church has a skewed view of the Trinity in comparison to mainstream Christianity, they therefore cannot have the same intent.

Those 2 things invalidate mormon baptisms. Simple as that.
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Love a simple “boil down” 👍 🙂
 
twopekinguys said:
What it boils down to, is since the mormon church has a skewed view of the Trinity in comparison to mainstream Christianity, they therefore cannot have the same intent.

Those 2 things invalidate mormon baptisms. Simple as that.
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twopekinguys said:
You notice that poster is Orthodox, and not Roman Catholic. Take it up with him/her…😃
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Marie5890 said:
Love a simple “boil down” 👍 🙂
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Except that I am specifically discussing the issue of Arian baptisms in this context of having a “skewed view of the Trinity”, or " they are not referring to the same ones that traditional Christians are.", and yet Arian baptisms were apparently accepted anciently (and presumably the Catholic Church identifies itself with that ancient church, right?), as well as the cited Seventh Canon of the First Council of Constantinople. So Arians had a “skewed view of the Trinity”, and their baptisms were accepted, while Latter-day Saints also have a "skewed view of the Trinity, yet LDS baptisms are not accepted. So I’m just trying to understand how “skewed view of the Trinity” is a valid argument in one case (LDS) but not the other (Arians).
 
twopekinguys said:
Why doesn’t the mormon church recognize anyone else’s? Is that unprecedented? 😛
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Latter-day Saints believe that we are the restored Church of Jesus Christ, with God’s priesthood. We believe that only the true Church of Jesus Christ has God’s priesthood, and thus only the true Church of Jesus Christ is able to “validly” perform ordinances, including baptism. Therefore, we only recognize the baptisms performed by the Lord’s Church, which we happen to believe is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Hope that helps.
 
Perhaps it has to do with intent of washing away original sin…?

Mormons reject the doctrine of original sin…

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Marie5890 said:
Perhaps it has to do with intent of washing away original sin…?

Mormons reject the doctrine of original sin…

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True, perhaps.

Do all traditional Christians accept the doctrine of original sin, and that baptism washes it away?

Thanks (I’ll be back a later, running to class!)
 
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