Was the Virgin Mary wise?

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tonyrey said:
The Church is composed of well over one billion men, women and children of every age and marital status…
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Technically true.
But only celibate, unmarried men can be part of the hierarchy.
 
PRmerger said:
Ah. **As I typed my above analogy I was cautiously optimistic that you would be able to use the abstract thinking that is required to grasp analogies. It appears that I was overly generous.

It seems you have an inability to understand analogies.** :sad_yes:

When one makes an analogy, such as:

Christmas tree : ornament :: earlobe : earring

…they are alike as analogs only.

Thus, when someone says, “Well, an earlobe does not sprout pine needles and thus your point is wrong” I realize that I am speaking with a person who is deficient in the ability to think in the abstract.


Just to be clear: the Church is not a female. She does not have breasts. She does not wear earrings. She does not have that feminine ability to multi-task while talking on the phone. 😃 (Something you men just can’t do. I. don’t. get. it.)

The Church is referred to as a “mother” in that the Church has maternal characteristics. She nurtures and nourishes. She bears children. She loves. She is wise. She provides a stable environment for us to grow.
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I was making a joke.
If you want start a flame war and exchange personal insults that’s fine with me too:shrug:
 
PRmerger said:
I am simply pointing out that your comment was untenable.

You said:

God gave A & E the same choices that he gave the angels. If the angels weren’t “set up to fail” then A & E weren’t set up either.
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We don’t know enough to say whether or not the angels were set up to fail.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
We don’t know enough to say whether or not the angels were set up to fail.
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I am quite comfortable saying that the angels were not set up to fail.

If you are deficient in knowledge about the Church’s teaching on angels, then go read and learn!
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
I was making a joke.
If you want start a flame war and exchange personal insults that’s fine with me too:shrug:
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I don’t know whether you realize how many people who have a devotion to our Blessed Mother may already be insulted by what you’ve been posting all along. Some comments could be considered insensitive in regards to CAF forum decorum .

It’s clear you don’t share our Catholic faith, but we have some believers whose devotion to our Blessed Mother is simple and unpretentious . It would be commendable if you could learn to respect that.

Seriously, back when this thread already had a 5-star rating, you open with a post (# 13) telling us how you think our Blessed Mother is a “robot-like creature” . Now the Blessed Virgin is our Mother. How would you feel if we were to say to you that we thought your mother was a robot-like creature ?

This thread has been thoroughly jacked around. Too bad. It was about our Mother.

And you still can’t substantiate some of your absurd interpretations of Catholicism. This almost appears to be some sort of sport for you. 🤷
 
If you’re going to subtly mock Catholicism, then someone should at least subtly point out how you’re contradicting yourtself :
AngryAtheist8 said:
Ah yes the Catholic definition of freedom:rolleyes:

The freedom to do what one ought.

I believe Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and modern Iran all have (or had) that same freedom (of course they have different versions of ought).

But **real **freedom involves choices.
If someone has only one choice, only one option, then they have no real freedom.

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You mean like , if the forbidden fruit hadn’t really been made accessible to Adam and Eve …? … If Adam and Eve hadn’t really been able to choose whether to eat the forbidden fruit even though it was forbidden ?
AngryAtheist8 said:
God is supposed to be all-knowing.
But he put the Tree there anyway.

Adam and Eve were set up to fail.
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NeedImprovement said:
If you’re going to subtly mock Catholicism, then someone should at least subtly point out how you’re contradicting yourtself :

You mean like , if the forbidden fruit hadn’t really been made accessible to Adam and Eve …? … If Adam and Eve hadn’t really been able to choose whether to eat the forbidden fruit even though it was forbidden ?
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It was the TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
They didn’t have that knowledge, they were childlike, and they had never dealt with any major consequences before.

Any sane, reasonably intelligent person could guess that they would eventually take the fruit (out of boredom if nothing else). It would be idiotic to expect otherwise.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Any sane, reasonably intelligent person could guess that they would eventually take the fruit (out of boredom if nothing else). It would be idiotic to expect otherwise.
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Again, this limns quite trenchantly that you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the world.

It is not sane or reasonable to sin. In fact, each and every time we sin it’s a little bit of insanity that we buy into.

You seem to think that drinking from sewage is the norm.

Rise above, Angry! Elevate yourself. You are worth so much more than sewage.
 
PRmerger said:
Again, this limns quite trenchantly that you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the world.

It is not sane or reasonable to sin. In fact, each and every time we sin it’s a little bit of insanity that we buy into.

You seem to think that drinking from sewage is the norm.

Rise above, Angry! Elevate yourself. You are worth so much more than sewage.
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Of course its sane and reasonable to sin.
Because everything is a sin (if done in the natural, normal human way).
 
tonyrey said:
It not only doesn’t seem but is far easier (and far more convenient) to reject the reality of sin - and evil - altogether… 😉
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Ah yes…

Do you realize that there is a profound difference between labeling (virtually) everything a sin and some things a sin?
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Of course its sane and reasonable to sin.
Because everything is a sin (if done in the natural, normal human way).
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You believe this because you have become accustomed to swimming in sewage. You think that’s the norm.

But once you step out of the sewage, and see that it’s not normal to drink filth, you’ll have a different perspective.
 
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