Was there a Trinity before the fall?

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If there was a Trinity before the fall, comprised of God The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, doesn’t that mean God knew His creation would fall before He even gave them a chance in the garden? Why would God be comprised of a person who is “The Son” if there was no need for Him [Jesus] before the fall? That seems like God setup our fall on purpose, or was God a “Binitary” (one deity in two persons, God The Father and The Holy Spirit) before the fall? In that case how can God change His nature and transform into a Trinity?

Can someone help me understand the Trinity before and after the fall? Thanks.
 
If there was a Trinity before the fall, comprised of God The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, doesn’t that mean God knew His creation would fall before He even gave them a chance in the garden? Why would God be comprised of a person who is “The Son” if there was no need for Him [Jesus] before the fall? That seems like God setup our fall on purpose, or was God a “Binitary” (one deity in two persons, God The Father and The Holy Spirit) before the fall? In that case how can God change His nature and transform into a Trinity?

Can someone help me understand the Trinity before and after the fall? Thanks.
The Trinity, and all three persons of the Trinity, are eternal. All three persons.

They did not exist because they were “necessary,” they existed because they just are, and have been to eternity. When time came for the Incarnation and Redemption, Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, became man.

God knew that man would fall in the garden, but He did not cause it, nor did He prevent it, in keeping with His gift of free will to man.
 
The three persons of the Trinity do not exist for human benefit but rather because the Godhead is an inherent eternal attribute of the one eternal living God.
Consider these verses of Holy Scripture (all taken from the Douay-Rheims):

-“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.” (John 1:1-3)
-“For in him [Jesus Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally” (Col 2:9)
-“Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer, and thy maker, from the womb: I am the Lord, that make all things, that alone stretch out the heavens, that establish the earth, and there is none with me.” (Isa. 44:24)

Now isn’t that interesting: John states that the Word was with God, and even was God, and that the Word was a part of the creation of all created things! Yet Isaiah records God telling him that He created the heavens and earth all alone. The answer to how both of these can be true is to recognize that God is not like us, but rather can exist in three distinct Persons all at the same time, while still being one Being.

Now it’s important to recognize that the Word of God has not been eternally human, but rather: “the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14) And “Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil…”(Heb 2:14). So before the fall all three Persons of the Trinity were spirit (cf. John 4:24), but after the fall one of the Three took up a human body for the redemption of human beings, and this body was glorified at His resurrection- and that fleshly temple of the Word stands to this day (cf. John 2:19)
 
As has already been noted, the three Persons of the Trinity are eternal. It’s not about us. It’s just the nature of God. One nature, three persons.

And yes, God knows all things; He knew we would fall, but he didn’t cause us to. The person of the Son took on a human nature while also remaining God the Son.
 
yes. Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING, IS NOW, AND WILL BE FOREVER. amen. in nomini Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti.

plus there are numerous references in Genesis, especially the creation story when God says, “Let us create man in our own image.” many people mistakenly think He is talking to angels, however keep in mind heaven and angels were not created yet, so who is He talking to? Himself! in the three persons of the Trinity of course.
 
As noted, the Trinity was, is, and will be forever. God has existed from all eternity in the Persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I understand your confusion in the sense that it is in the Son and the Holy Spirit that we see God’s direct action and interaction with creation. Some people call the Son and the Holy Spirit God’s left hand and right hand. I think of the Son as the Word of God Who is “spoken forth” from the heart of the Father and the Holy Spirit as the Breath of God Who is breathed forth in power. Both the Son and the Holy Spirit existed eternally (as we have said) but what they were “doing” before creation, we don’t really know. Perfectly communing with One another, I suppose. MattofTexas rightly points out that the Son was pure spirit up until the Incarnation which is “the mystery of the wonderful union of the divine and human natures in the one person of the Word” CCC 483.

I think John 1 has a remarkable passage when it says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” This passage partially reveals the Persons of God (the Holy Spirit is not mentioned here, of course) when it says the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. So there is a revelation that God is one, but not solitary. God is with God and is God. Also, when Jesus commands the disciples to baptize in the NAME (not Names) of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is revealed that the Trinity exists as one, but not solitary.

Some good reading on this is found in the Catechism (232-267 especially). Of course, the Holy Trinity is a mystery beyond our comprehension, but hopefully this thread will be helpful in understanding.
 
If there was a Trinity before the fall, comprised of God The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, doesn’t that mean God knew His creation would fall before He even gave them a chance in the garden? Why would God be comprised of a person who is “The Son” if there was no need for Him [Jesus] before the fall? That seems like God setup our fall on purpose, or was God a “Binitary” (one deity in two persons, God The Father and The Holy Spirit) before the fall? In that case how can God change His nature and transform into a Trinity?

Can someone help me understand the Trinity before and after the fall? Thanks.
The Trinity always existed. God foresaw every choice we make, but loved us enough to create us anyways.
 
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