Was there nothing before the Big bang?

[Anselm33]

Hitler had no morals whatsoever and so to hold him up as an example is a poor comparison.
HITLER/Nazis are an excellent example of pseudo-science unconstrained by morality
Many scientists are restrained by morals and ethics; people don’t have to be Catholic to possess those traits.
So??? And many are not. Witness those who prostitute their scientific work for grants with falsified data… And as a physicist I know more about the morality of scientists I believe than you do.
I brought up contraception because it was a good example where science and logic would have beat out the RCC churches no condom policy, instead today you have millions of children in Africa that lost their parents to aids. I suppose you consider that a good alternative?
**You say “science and logic would have beat out the RCC churches” but you don’t prove this by evidence. You don’t deny that many common contraceptives act as abortifacients, and you say nothing to justify the morality of abortion.
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You say science in the hands of the supposedly immoral is wrong but yet somehow the RCC is free from all vice - prior and very recent history paints an altogether different picture.
**This smacks of being anti-Catholic on a Catholic blog. I will issue a complaint. But to deal with your comment, the Church is comprised of mortals and we are all subject to sin. Queen Christiana, a Swedish convert, testified to the power of the Church by having survived 1700 years despite being composed of such bad persons. And statistics by the way show the incidence of homosexual corruption of minors is no higher in the Catholic Church than in the Anglican and other Protestant sects/ **
Again, “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
And the relevance of that quotation is ???

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[Aloysium]

. . . Many scientists are restrained by morals and ethics; people don’t have to be Catholic to possess those traits. . . .

Those morals and ethics are generally determined by the society of which the person is a member.
To do God’s will may go against these societal/secular norms.
For a General Practitioner of medicine, for example, counselling a young woman not to have an abortion or perhaps a young man about the dangers of a homosexual life-style, out of true concern for the patient, may lead to problems with the professional governing body.
In a Godless society, it would not be suprising to see Christians on the wrong side of the “law”.

 

[dmwessel]

Those morals and ethics are generally determined by the society of which the person is a member.
To do God’s will may go against these societal/secular norms.
For a General Practitioner of medicine, for example, counselling a young woman not to have an abortion or perhaps a young man about the dangers of a homosexual life-style, out of true concern for the patient, may lead to problems with the professional governing body.
In a Godless society, it would not be suprising to see Christians on the wrong side of the “law”.

I’m sorry, when you use the word Godless, are you lumping some of the recent allegations towards the RCC within that? Or, are there two types of sin, those committed by the RCC (which are somehow acceptable) and those committed outside (which are somehow worse)!!

 

[dmwessel]

The point is, which you’ve evidently missed, that science should be subservient to moral considerations. You don’t do freezing experiments on twins, as the Nazis did in concentration camps, to determine how the human body reacts. Science has nothing to say about morality. Rather science should be constrained by moral and ethical considerations.
But the above has nothing to do with the issue of contraception. The doctrines of the Catholic Church proclaim that life is sacred, so that contraceptives which are abortifacients kill. Moreover, sexual intercourse is for the purpose of procreation, so that nothing should be done to bar that function. You did not address those issues. If you disagree, that’s your privilege, but don’t bring up science to justify those opinions.

Please, don’t tell me that sin doesn’t happen in the Catholic church because I know for certain it has, and does. Your argument is moot.

 

[dmwessel]

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It’s the truth - something I thought would be more welcome on a Catholic forum. I was Catholic at one time, but you’re right, I don’t subscribe now and I consider all religions are not following the Biblical mandate and that’s why there is so much corruption (in all of them). It’s not that the people are inherently evil, but the system itself is and so by its nature, corrupts many.

Perhaps I should desist from this line of thought and get back to the Big Bang. I am curious to know what physicists think.

 

[dmwessel]

The point is, which you’ve evidently missed, that science should be subservient to moral considerations. You don’t do freezing experiments on twins, as the Nazis did in concentration camps, to determine how the human body reacts. Science has nothing to say about morality. Rather science should be constrained by moral and ethical considerations.
But the above has nothing to do with the issue of contraception. The doctrines of the Catholic Church proclaim that life is sacred, so that contraceptives which are abortifacients kill. Moreover, sexual intercourse is for the purpose of procreation, so that nothing should be done to bar that function. You did not address those issues. If you disagree, that’s your privilege, but don’t bring up science to justify those opinions.

I wasn’t saying that science is always right - but neither should you say that Catholicism is because that’s simply not so.

 

[Aloysium]

I’m sorry, when you use the word Godless, are you lumping some of the recent allegations towards the RCC within that? Or, are there two types of sin, those committed by the RCC (which are somehow acceptable) and those committed outside (which are somehow worse)!!

This makes no sense to me.

I am sorry if this is not clear:
God reveals Himself and His plan for us
individually within His personal relationship with each of us and,
since the Beatific Vision includes all who do His will,
to the entirety of His holy Church through the ages.

Do you have an issue with that?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

It’s the truth - something I thought would be more welcome on a Catholic forum. I was Catholic at one time, but you’re right, I don’t subscribe now and I consider all religions are not following the Biblical mandate and that’s why there is so much corruption (in all of them). It’s not that the people are inherently evil, but the system itself is and so by its nature, corrupts many.

Perhaps I should desist from this line of thought and get back to the Big Bang. I am curious to know what physicists think.

Yes, you have gone a good way toward corrupting this thread.

 

[dmwessel]

This makes no sense to me.

I am sorry if this is not clear:
God reveals Himself and His plan for us
individually within His personal relationship with each of us and,
since the Beatific Vision includes all who do His will,
to the entirety of His holy Church through the ages.

Do you have an issue with that?

It’s just that I want to make sure I’m doing God’s will, and not the will of man. There is a difference.

 

[Aloysium]

It’s just that I want to make sure I’m doing God’s will, and not the will of man. There is a difference.

There sure is.
That’s why Jesus established and the Holy Spirit acts through His Church.
At any rate we are meant to be one body in Christ.
I don’t see how it is possible for one to come to God solely on one’s own.
If you see things not right in society, it is a sign to become active, to become a more loving person.
There’s enough discord and unhappiness in this world. One should not add to it.

Back to the OP - God created and is not the universe. There was nothing before the creation of time, only God in eternity. Such revelations have been passed on by people, sinful as we all are.