Was this a moral tv program

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I was wandering if what they did on this certain program in question was immoral. The son goes into the bathrooma nd his mom is int he shower, now you can not see her. its a cute little kid twhoa sks her if she can pick a card,a dn so you see her hand just for a second…it had no sexial content what so ever, but was it still moral?
 
I think it was suggestive and not necessary. They did not need to do that scene in the bathroom.
 
Did i commit a mrotal sin then? TI idd ntoe njoy it or suspect it. Thnks

(but then again i did not change the channel soo…)
 
I agree unless there was a pretty good reason, having the scene in the bathroom is suggestive.

That is, unless the movie is about how a mother never gets any privacy even in the shower. Then maybe the scene is somewhat justified by the plot.

As far as the actual situation as depicted, it doesn’t sound like a problem from the way you described it.

Many times our own children have interrupted their mother in the shower for things they think are really important at the time, but that we really think could have waited.

It gets annoying, and at sometime you try to teach them to balance the importance of why they want you, to the degree to which they are allowed to approach without getting fussed at.

Especially when they first start getting around pretty good. If they aren’t asleep or confined throughout the shower this is just part of being a parent. Best case, there are two parents present who can help run interference for the other.

Alan
 
It wasn’t subjestive Please help me, because I have read other threads and they ahve confuesed me, 10 people saying all these sorts of different things.
 
Emly, from your description, the scene does not sound suggestive at all. A little boy is interrupting his mom in the shower, and all you see of her is her hand.

So she is not only not revealing anything to the show’s watchers that she shouldn’t, she is also maintaining modesty in front of her little boy. Sounds moral to me!

The only thing I’m worrying about is you - you might have a tendancy to scrupulosity. That means you spend a lot of time, and stress, on whether or not you have sinned. If you have a confessor you trust, ask him if he thinks you are overly scrupulous.

Scrupulosity can be related to obsessive-compulsive disorder, and there are standard treatments for that.

See this thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=30334&highlight=scrupulosity for some resources.

BG & GB!
 
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Emly:
I was wandering if what they did on this certain program in question was immoral. The son goes into the bathrooma nd his mom is int he shower, now you can not see her. its a cute little kid twhoa sks her if she can pick a card,a dn so you see her hand just for a second…it had no sexial content what so ever, but was it still moral?
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Emly:
It wasn’t subjestive Please help me, because I have read other threads and they ahve confuesed me, 10 people saying all these sorts of different things.
Please be assured that I have seen almost no issues where 10 people will all say the same thing.

This is why it’s important for you to learn everything you can about Church teachings. As far as possible scrupulosity, I don’t know about that but others do more than I do so I’ve stayed pretty silent about it.

The scene as you described is very benign as TV goes these days, and probably would not have offended most Catholics, but I can understand how it raised the question in your mind, especially with the emphasis Christ put on not sinning in your mind.

In case nobody else has told you this, I will. There are two major traditions of the Church; the apophatic and the kataphatic. The kataphatic is the tradition we normally experience, where we learn doctrine, teachings, and all that, and attempt to learn what we need to know. The apophatic looks at another point of view, exemplified by many writing of the ancients including the anonymous 14th century book the Cloud of the Unknowing. Now the Cloud itself may not be the best book to start with, I might suggest more like “Mystical Theology” by William Johnson. The apophatic point of view helps us deal with the fact that we actually know very little about God, and whatever we think God is, is by definition an incomplete picture because He is beyond our comprehension.

The problem is that it takes both sides to be balanced. Back in the day, people had lots and lots of rules to follow, and they were seemingly OK with that. These days, with better communications and better catechesis than before, people are learning a lot more than they used to about the kataphatic traditions and teachings. The problem is that makes them unbalanced, for they think a set of rules will save them; to be balanced with a good prayer life that includes forms leading to contemplation (CCC 2697-2724 gives a good summary of the three forms of prayer) would help them tremendously, and would help them deal with the issue of how can we “follow rules” and “follow our hearts” at the same time. The answer, as we learn mostly in the apophatic tradition, is to open our hearts to the Holy Spirit for transformation and healing from original sin and societally induced damage so that there is no longer a conflict between heart and mind. The rules then become written on our hearts, so they make sense without a lot of words and arguing, and hopefully anxiety.

If you look at both sides of the Church tradition, these types of conflicts may become less troubling for you. Unfortunately you will probably have to seek this out yourself, so you might try calling your diocese office and seeing if they offer spiritual direction. For this particular case, you can talk to a priest or follow the advice others have given. If not, you might try the book I mentioned above or write back or PM me for other ideas on how to get started.

Alan
 
I think the program was neutral. There is nothing immoral about showers, the parent/child relationship, etc. If a shower scene causes you to have sexual fantasies, then perhaps that is an issue of your own to be dealt with. Showers are not inherently sexual.

One of the tasks in life is learning what punches our buttons and learning to deal with stimuli maturely. Docs and nurses have to get over seeing naked bodies. If they can’t, they might need to find another line of work.

If we learn that we have a particular weakness in ourselves, we can work to avoid the stimulus which causes us to fail, or we can work to overcome our weakness to the stimulus. Everyone has areas of weakness. Part of the work of life is learning to morally and creatively deal with them.

cheddar
 
The only problem is that the viewers were brought into the privacy of the bathroom. The program did not stop to give notice that the next scene involves a bathroom shower scene (wow, now that would be a revolution in TV respect for values) and may offend the sensitivities of those who still subscribe to modesty.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
The scene as you described is very benign as TV goes these days, and probably would not have offended most Catholics, but I can understand how it raised the question in your mind, especially with the emphasis Christ put on not sinning in your mind.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with your above statement. IMO though, this not because we have become anymore sophisticated, immune from, or necessarily “mature” in our ability to detect, discern, and screen out from our conscious/sub-conscious scenes of immodesty (than our predecessors). It is more a symptom of lack of spiritual discernment and prudence in what we allow ourselves to be exposed to or to not be offended by what was put before our eyes. I am reminded of the story of the frog in a kettle of water not knowing to jump out as the temperature is raised ever so slightly until before he knows it, he is cooking!

Time to wake up those Catholics who have acclimated themselves to immodesty and thrown in the towel under the guise of sophistication-“I have learned to deal with stimuli maturely“, apathy, helplessness, passive acceptance- “I need to work to overcome our weakness to the stimulus”, …

“The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.” (CCC 2524)

**“**Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.” (CCC 2521)

**“**There is modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.” (CCC 2523)
 
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