Was this disrespectful?, other questions

[coolcatholicguy]

We were going to attend Church, but Mass ends up being half an hour later than we expected, so we left and plan to go tomorrow on Sunday. Was this disrespectful?

Also, should we fast until The Eucharist would be given?

Also, how can one tell when they have consent when commiting a sin?

 

[coolduude]

We were going to attend Church, but Mass ends up being half an hour later than we expected, so we left and plan to go tomorrow on Sunday. Was this disrespectful?

Also, should we fast until The Eucharist would be given?

Also, how can one tell when they have consent when commiting a sin?

I’ll try to answer the first 2.

1. I don’t think it was disrespectful. But couldn’t you have waited the half hour? Just be sure to get there tomorrow. Otherwise you’re in mortal sin.
2. Fast the recommended 1 hour before receiving the Eucharist.

 

[Crumpy]

I’m not judging you. Christ gave us a command not to judge others. That’s a command.

It’s a temptation to rationalize things like this – don’t you think? Mass is worship of God. Sunday is the Christian equivalent of the Sabbath (Shabat). Jesus says it was made for man.

God doesn’t need you to go to Mass, YOU need you to go to Mass.

God gave the circumstances so that the Isrealites would be set free from Egypt, to go into the wilderness, so that they could worship God.

the Christian Sabbath – Sunday – is supposed to be the day where we are liberated from the everyday things in our lives (like work) so that we return, in a sense, to the freedom of the Garden of Eden, where we are in communion with God, when we can eat from the Tree of Life, which is Jesus.

Sunday Mass is the closest we get in this life to being in Heaven, in God’s presence.

OK, so, again, what was your question? Can you put your question in terms like this, so I can understand it?

 

[Petergee]

We were going to attend Church, but Mass ends up being half an hour later than we expected, so we left and plan to go tomorrow on Sunday. Was this disrespectful?

No. Unless you mean that you left during Mass.

Also, should we fast until The Eucharist would be given?

The Church says you must fast from all food and drink except water and medicine for one hour before actually receiving Communion. But remember this is the absolute bare legal minimum. A healthy, well-fed Catholic could and should fast for longer.

Also, how can one tell when they have consent when commiting a sin?

Did someone force you to do it?
If you yourself decided to go ahead and do it at some point, then you consented. It doesn’t mean that you had to spend a long time weighing up whether to do it, it may have been an instant decision.

Some circumstamces such as influence of your peers or authorities telling you to do it, or being in the habit of doing it, may mean you gave somewhat less than full consent, but it is still a sin.

 

[VonDerTann]

Coolduude, IMHO you have absolutely no place telling anyone when they are in mortal sin, let alone telling someone they will be in mortal sin for something they have not done yet. You don’t know the state of their consciences or any other circumstances. Sorry, I find the ease with which you tell someone else when they are going to be in mortal sin disturbing,

Moreover, even if you did have grounds to state what you did, consider that your post – when read by lurkers – may contribute to feelings of anti-Catholics, that “all Catholics do is judge and lay guilt”

The fact that OP is frequently here, and frequently asking if a very large number of daily events constitute mortal sin or similar, is all the worse.

 

[Michael6]

We were going to attend Church, but Mass ends up being half an hour later than we expected, so we left and plan to go tomorrow on Sunday. Was this disrespectful?

Also, should we fast until The Eucharist would be given?

Also, how can one tell when they have consent when commiting a sin?

Jesus? or Jesus Christ?

Christ did not die! Jesus was murdered!

Jesus Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead!

 

[coolduude]

Coolduude, IMHO you have absolutely no place telling anyone when they are in mortal sin, let alone telling someone they will be in mortal sin for something they have not done yet. You don’t know the state of their consciences or any other circumstances. Sorry, I find the ease with which you tell someone else when they are going to be in mortal sin disturbing,

Moreover, even if you did have grounds to state what you did, consider that your post – when read by lurkers – may contribute to feelings of anti-Catholics, that “all Catholics do is judge and lay guilt”

The fact that OP is frequently here, and frequently asking if a very large number of daily events constitute mortal sin or similar, is all the worse.

I was not making judgment. I was reiterating Church teaching, that is, if one misses Sunday Mass they are in mortal sin. I don’t see how that passes judgment.

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

I’m still not connecting the dots here. Feel free to correct me.

 

[VonDerTann]

Coolduude:

1. There is a difference between “grave matter” and telling someone they “are in mortal sin if they do x.” To my knowledge, the Catholic Church has not pronounced thatany specific act is a mortal sin. A grave matter? Yes. Mortal? No. Telling anyone “you are in mortal sin” presupposes that we know the level of of their (internal) consent, their understanding of their own acts, etc. Since we can never be sure of that. we can never know when anyone is “in mortal sin.” Only God knows that.
2. We can never know when anyone is “in mortal sin,” now. We certainly cannot know what circumstances the OP may deal with tomorrow which impedes his church attendance.

That’s the trees. Let’s look at the forest.

OP comes here frequently, over and over again, generally asking whether “Doing X places us in mortal sin.” Often OP seems to seek a bit of guidance about OP’s own conduct. Now, I will pass on why OP feels the need to constantly ask us that as to various deeds – most of which seem, to my eye, exceedingly modest at absolutely worst (and harmless at best).

Now, let’s remember what “mortal sin” is, okay? It’s the state of being cut off from God. totally and completely.

Now you tell me: Do you really, genuinely believe that anyone who asks a question like, “I did X, was it a mortal sin?” – and particularly OP, if you read OP’s posts – is in serious danger of being so far cut off from God that they can be said to have cut themselves off, completely? Heck, I speculate that anyone with enough conscience to even ask if other Catholics think they are “in mortal sin” probably are NOT. Why? Because if they were they wouldn’t care, and or at least would feel no remorse, such to even ask the question. If you’re not seeking God sincerely, you woudn’t likely be on these boards, IMHO (absent being a troll)!

It’s with that backdrop that you told OP he would be “off to hell if he died” after missing mass tomorrow (today?).

I have never, ever told anyone they are in mortal sin, and, quite frankly, neither should anyone else make that judgment.

OP: I think you’re doing fine, and were not disrespectful.