Was Tridentine Mass "banned"?

[sparc]

Suposedly, and it is possible that this is not the reason, but it is said that Pope John Paul 11 of blessed memory, wanted to get the SSPX and other divergent traditionalist groups back into the fold. That coupled with the obvious problems that the Pauline Rite was facing at the time plummeting Mass attendance, numerous and grave abuses, rampant experimentation as well as the fact that many people were still attached to the traditional rite., led him to issue the indult. It was hoped that exposure to the traditional rite would re-kindle devotion in the Pauline congregations. However, many Bishops saw this as an assault on their authority by Rome and refused to allow the traditional rite to be celebrated in their dioceses at all or only in some secluded hideaways where they apparently hoped it would die off.

But how about the Pope’s authority? He wouldn’t be Rock if he had none. He wouldn’t be Vicar of Christ if he had none. He wouldn’t be the Supreme Pontiff if he had none. Maybe they are taking the title “Servant of the Servants of God” too literally.

The last time I checked, he is still the Prime Minister of the Holy Mother the Church, the Kingdom of God here on Earth.

 

[BobP123]

But how about the Pope’s authority? He wouldn’t be Rock if he had none. He wouldn’t be Vicar of Christ if he had none. He wouldn’t be the Supreme Pontiff if he had none. Maybe they are taking the title “Servant of the Servants of God” too literally.

The last time I checked, he is still the Prime Minister of the Holy Mother the Church, the Kingdom of God here on Earth.

You’re right. But Vatican II came out with this collegiality clause that effectively cut Papal powers, especially where the liturgy was concerned. Maybe some clarification of Vatican II’s documents on collegiality are in order.

 

[stjosephtomasi]

during that period from the 60’s to 84, if a priest wanted to say the Tridentine Mass, did he have to get permission from his bishop?

if a lay person wanted to attend the old Mass, could he approach a bishop, or did special permission have to come from Rome?

 

[slewi]

And that would explain why the reported terms of the new motu proprio include a provision that would allow bishops to expressly forbid offering the Tridentine Mass.

Do you think that with such a provision anything would change? I doubt the Holy Father would go through all of this hassle just to allow bishops to supercede him anyway.

That provision you speak of would make the MP void of any substance. There’s no reason to free the mass if you are going to allow opponents of it to decide whether to allow it or not. The Pope is smarter than that.

 

[BobP123]

Do you think that with such a provision anything would change? I doubt the Holy Father would go through all of this hassle just to allow bishops to supercede him anyway.

That provision you speak of would make the MP void of any substance. There’s no reason to free the mass if you are going to allow opponents of it to decide whether to allow it or not. The Pope is smarter than that.

I hear most of the dissenting bishops are from France and Germany. Get past them (and L.A. ) and you probably have a chance of getting more TLMs. There seems to be much more interest in it now because of all the rumors that have surrounded the M.P. for the last two years. And yes, rumors lay the groundwork necessary to (re)introduce it, so they are serving their purpose. And this Pope seems to mean business.