Way around celibacy?

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Volodymyr_988 said:
I have an acquaintance who is a priest who was raised Latin, married a Ukrainian woman, switched Sui Juris Churches, and was ordained a priest in the UGCC.

He told me that an Eastern Priest’s Spiritual Father generally tells his Spiritual Sons that an Eastern Priest should be an Eastern Priest only so to avoid “Spiritual Schizophrenia” as it may be termed. Biritual faculties are less usual for an Eastern priest going West.
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Many of the Byzantine parishes in the US are very small. I know of one UGCC priest who has a ‘day job’ of doing laundry so he can support his family. There is a priest in… Michigan I think, that supports his family by being the sacramental priest of a neighboring Latin parish.
The issue I think your friends spiritual father is probably speaking more about aproaches to theology and piety. The differences are subtle. These differences might be likened to those of deisel and gasoline engines. They are very simmilar but when you try to put diesel in your gasoline engine it goes kaput.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
To answer the OP’s what if question wiout layering more “what ifs” about it would be a good start. As of this time, Rome’s response to the TAC is a HUGE unknown quantity. We don’t have a history of taking in untrained and undertrained protestants (EOC) and dubious near-vagantes (HOOMies) that has played out in the Orthodox in the West. Don’t juxtapose that oddity on us.

Time will tell, in the mean time that is mere wild speculation.
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The few you have received have already caused wild speculation (most of it because of the odd match of conservative married priests and liberal craddle Latins in support of married clergy. Different agendas, I dare say only the former having anything to do with the Lord’s). It has long ceased to be a hypothetical.

I have to confess, I haven’t an idea of what you are talking about with HOOMies, at least under that term. Who are they?

The AU mechanism is already in place. The questions are is it going to be modified for greater numbers. Not wild speculation.

How do you differentiate “untrained and undertrained Protestants” with untrained and undertrained Orthodox, who with the stroke of the pen, were “made Catholic?” Part of the reason why the Unia of Brest was nearly DOA,

I heard first about the TAC on Relevant Radio, and in the Forums here. So the talk has already started, based on what is already going on. That includes Latin criticism of Cardinal Kaspar.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
The few you have received have already caused wild speculation (most of it because of the odd match of conservative married priests and liberal craddle Latins in support of married clergy. Different agendas, I dare say only the former having anything to do with the Lord’s). It has long ceased to be a hypothetical.

I have to confess, I haven’t an idea of what you are talking about with HOOMies, at least under that term. Who are they?

The AU mechanism is already in place. The questions are is it going to be modified for greater numbers. Not wild speculation.

How do you differentiate “untrained and undertrained Protestants” with untrained and undertrained Orthodox, who with the stroke of the pen, were “made Catholic?” Part of the reason why the Unia of Brest was nearly DOA,

I heard first about the TAC on Relevant Radio, and in the Forums here. So the talk has already started, based on what is already going on. That includes Latin criticism of Cardinal Kaspar.
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Yes and Evangelical Orthodox Church. Think Ben Lomond.

Talk is talk. It is all speculation.

Criticism is critcism - it is speculation and opinion.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Yeah. And?
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And we don’t do that there is no precedent.

And your speculation seems mighty near pedantic. That this has been talked about - the TAC situation - is one thing. It has fiddle sticks to do with the OPs question.

I am not really all that interested in going rounds with you on this Isa - I stand by and feel comfortable with my answer. Yours is reckless speculation and the content of your reply and your history demonstrates that there is intent to engage in controversialism.

My participation stops now. Engage in all the “what ifs” you wish in a manner that is totally unrelated to the purpose of the Eastern Catholic Forum.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Yes and Evangelical Orthodox Church. Think Ben Lomond.

Talk is talk. It is all speculation.

Criticism is critcism - it is speculation and opinion.
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The EOCM has proven to be quite the fruitful branch of the Antiochian Church. Some of them have become parts of other jurisdictions as well.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
And we don’t do that there is no precedent.

And your speculation seems mighty near pedantic. That this has been talked about - the TAC situation - is one thing. It has fiddle sticks to do with the OPs question.

I am not really all that interested in going rounds with you on this Isa - I stand by and feel comfortable with my answer. Yours is reckless speculation and the content of your reply and your history demonstrates that there is intent to engage in controversialism.

My participation stops now. Engage in all the “what ifs” you wish in a manner that is totally unrelated to the purpose of the Eastern Catholic Forum.
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Your controverisalism is already here: that of married clergy of the uniates (and the ban on them outsied the East) the married clergy under the pastoral provision/AU, and the “speculation” on the TAC. The first two are realities NOW, and play in the discussions on the Latin discipline, including but besides, the TAC discussions. Not what if. What is.
 
surgei said:
The EOCM has proven to be quite the fruitful branch of the Antiochian Church. Some of them have become parts of other jurisdictions as well.
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Not because they had much choice in the matter.
 
kaygee said:
Biritual faculties are required for that. Requires a request by the priest’s own bishop and by the bishop that wants to use him in the west. Then the request must go through Rome and, in the case of a married man, the request for biritual faculties is almost never granted.
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kaygee,

Birutual faculties do not require action by Rome, merely the consent of the two ordinaries involved - the ordinary in whose jurisdiction the priest is incardinated and the ordinary in whose jurisdiction the faculties will be exercised.

As to married clergy, there is no particular issue, as it is relatively uncommon for an Eastern or Oriental Catholic presbyter to need faculties in the Latin Rite - with a few common exceptions*

Many years,

Neil

*many Ethiopian (so-called Ge’ez Rite) Catholic priests have Latin faculties, as the respective jurisdictions of the 2 Churches in Ethiopia are all distinctly geographic (i.e., the Oriental Ethiopian jurisdictions are not overlaid on Latin Ethiopian jurisdictions, such as occurs in the US and elsewhere in the diaspora). Another situation prevails in India, with Malankara and Malabarese priests frequently accorded Latin bi-ritual faculties.
 
surgei said:
Many of the Byzantine parishes in the US are very small. I know of one UGCC priest who has a ‘day job’ of doing laundry so he can support his family. There is a priest in… Michigan I think, that supports his family by being the sacramental priest of a neighboring Latin parish.
The issue I think your friends spiritual father is probably speaking more about aproaches to theology and piety. The differences are subtle. These differences might be likened to those of deisel and gasoline engines. They are very simmilar but when you try to put diesel in your gasoline engine it goes kaput.
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Actually, he made a whole bunch of money when he was a layman in computers back in the 90s before the bubble burst.

I guess when the Lord wants a man to be a priest, there ain’t no stoppin’ Him.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
I’m not surprised.
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If you are insinuating, no, I did not come into Orthodoxy with them.

My present parish is former protestant, but no, they were not part of EOC. They (and another parish) started as a Bible Study in Wheaton (the person who was their pastor swam the Tiber, but basically no one jumped in the water, although some dipped their toes).

So I’m intrigued, why do you mean that they didn’t have a choice.

Perhaps better answer in NCF.
 
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