Way of the Master

[brosam]

You, my friend, have the cart before the horse. Christ established the Catholic Church before the bible was put in its current form. That aside, there many exchanges recorded between Peter and Jesus demonstrating that establishment.

“Many”? OK. Pick your best three.

 

[davidv]

“Many”? OK. Pick your best three.

Off topic. Search the forum. This has been discussed numerous time.

 

[brosam]

30,000+ Protestant denominations - Source: Gordon Conwell University (Protestant)

And, if you’ve looked at that list, then you know that they pad it with non-Christian groups such as Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, etc, so it is not an accurate count.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

In other words, you’re making more claims without having the courage to try to back them up.

No, this means that Catholic Answers prefers that each subject be given its own thread so as to avoid confusing someone who would now click on “Way of the Master” and wonder why we’re discussing Ecclesiastical History and your misconceptions about what the Catholic Church believes and teaches. If you would like to discuss those teachings which you do not understand, please, for the sake of the moderators, start a new thread for each one.

If you want to learn the truth about the Catholic Church, you would be well served to spend some time at The Catholic Bridge, Scripture Catholic, and The Bible Christian Society before you come in here making all sorts of false accusations against the Church that Jesus Christ founded.

 

[brosam]

Off topic. Search the forum. This has been discussed numerous time.

It wasn’t off topic when you chose to bring it up but, all of a sudden, when you’re challenged to back up your claim, it’s “offtopic”?

If it wasn’t off topic when you brought it up, then how did it suddenly become off topic?

 

[brosam]

No, this means that Catholic Answers prefers that each subject be given its own thread accusations against the Church that Jesus Christ founded.

I see. So, you went against the preferences of Catholic Answers by bringing up a topic that doesn’t belong in this thread?

 

[Pixie_Dust]

And, if you’ve looked at that list, then you know that they pad it with non-Christian groups such as Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, etc, so it is not an accurate count.

So if we subtract the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Unitarians, we’re still at 29,997 Protestant denominations. I think that’s still a few too many. Jesus did not intend for His Church to be so splintered.

 

[davidv]

It wasn’t off topic when you chose to bring it up but, all of a sudden, when you’re challenged to back up your claim, it’s “offtopic”?

If it wasn’t off topic when you brought it up, then how did it suddenly become off topic?

OK. I’ll admit that I was off topic too. Happy?

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I see. So, you went against the preferences of Catholic Answers by bringing up a topic that doesn’t belong in this thread?

I’m just trying to help you since you’re new around here - why are you being so mean to me?

 

[Church_Militant]

I agree. Who said it is?

So…you’re saying that you, as a non-Catholic Christian, hold to some other authority than just the Bible?

Not according to your scriptures, perhaps, but according to the Bible.

History shows that the Catholic Bible IS the Bible and there’s no proof otherwise.

Which is two more times than your average Roman Catholic.

And probably a million times more often than most n-Cs…

Neither do Christians.

I can’t tell… What’s the difference between catholics and Christians?

I agree. That’s why we dont condemn.

(Again), I can’t tell from your tone so far…

Honestly? I really couldn’t care less what Frank did.

My obligation is to be faithful to the word of God and that means to proclaim the Gospel.

That’s real charitable towards a brother in Christ. Colossians 3:12 Put ye on therefore, as the elect of God, holy, and beloved, the bowels of mercy, benignity, humility, modesty, patience: 13 Bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if any have a complaint against another: even as the Lord hath forgiven you, so do you also. 14 But above all these things have charity, which is the bond of perfection: 15 And let the peace of Christ rejoice in your hearts, wherein also you are called in one body: and be ye thankful.

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you abundantly, in all wisdom: teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing in grace in your hearts to God. 17 All whatsoever you do in word or in work, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

I agree. The Christian Gospel doesn’t disagree with the Bible. Therefore, your claim is false.Saved?

Sorry, you twisted that pretty badly.

IMO the n-C “gospel” is one of some kind of “Christianity Lite” and is generally anything but the “full gospel”. That’s one reason that I don’t much care for “Way of the Master”.

Saved? Sure! At east as much as you are.

How Is A Catholic Saved?

Repentance and baptism (Acts 2:38 & 22:16) and then following Christ, (John 14:15, Matthew 10:38, 16:24, & 25:31-46, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23) which is a lifelong journey and not the oversimplified “plan of salvation” as presented by some non-Catholic communities.

 

[deanarrca]

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How is it, then, that I can go into any Christian church in my area, churches of varying denominations, and know that they’ll accept me as a brother in Christ because we agree on the essential doctrine of Christianity?

First off any Catholic Church would accept you as a Christian Brother if you were baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. They don’t require you to get re-batized like many Christian denominations do if you were not baptized in their particular denomination. they just believe that you are in a church and are lacking the fullness of all that Christ taught. Likewise do you believe I am a Christian that just happens to be in the wrong church or do you believe because I’m in a wrong church (that is according to you) that I am therefore not a Christian at all.?

QUOTE:Oh, you mean like one of the councils Roman Catholics are always telling us we should listen to

Yes but they have the Guidance of the Holy Spirit and they do have the Authority, but again that needs to be addressed in another thread.
However if every church can decide for themselves how to interpret scripture and they all disagree, you haven’t proven a point for your side. You just made an argument that it is impossible to ever know which interpretation is correct.

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As I said for over 20 years I was a member of 3 Bible Believing Evangelical/ Fundametalist Churches and attended 3 others. A total of 6 in all.
I see. So, you were a church hopper. That’s not a very good sign.

***Again an accusation that comes across as a little snide, but again incorrect. I will make an accusation back which may also be incorrect, but I will guess you are relatively young- guessing not older than mid twenties max.

People move. When we moved we tried to find the best Bible Believing Church in the area. My Husband was raised Evangelical / Fundamentalist. He was raised in a non-denominational Bible teaching Church. Which by the way didn’t even believe repentance was necessary for salvation because repentance is a work. Which by the way disagrees with the Teaching of the Way of the Master ( to keep this on topic.) The Way of the Master is big on repentance. That brings up another tidbit - Here another thing someone mentioned on this thread somewhere was that The Way of the Master doesn’t support or believe is Bibilical the “Sinners Prayer Method” of evangelizing. Many Bible believing churches would disagree.***

Quote: May I ask what your background in theology is?
*** I asked you first

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Quote: In other words, you’re making more claims without having the courage to try to back them up.

**I have plenty of Courage. This is just not the thread to do it. Each issue is separate and needs a different thread. I also am not a professional apologist but i have read the Bible in and out and do know from whence I speak. i I can tell you why I am leaving protestantism and joining the Catholic church. This thread is suppose to be discussing the Way of the Master and I feel we have already hijacked it.
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Quote: Where in the Bible do we see that Christ established Roman Catholicism?

Lastly because of Apostolic succession and it can be traced all the way back. Also the Eastern Orthodox Churches are Catholic and can trace their roots all the way back to the Apostles ( Catholic- meaning as I said before the Universal Church or Congregation that Christ Founded and the term is in the Bible to refer to the followers of Christ) Some use the term “Roman” to distinguish the Eastern Churches from the West but again that in an of itself is its own separate discussion. They still interpret the Scripture in the way the Apostles did and taught them.

Well I have to go now. Won’t be back for awhile because I have a busy family to attend to. PS: I am Deana not Dean

 

[mtk76]

After reading this thread the Biblical concept of not casting your pearls to swine came to mind. If someone continues to not listen and attack you can turn the other cheek but you don’t have to speak out of that cheek…

 

[Contarini]

Yes, you’ve shown scripture that you’ve taken out of context and applied false meanings to. However, when I say, “show me where it’s found in scripture”, what I mean is make a credible case using the scriptures that baptism is required for salvation.

Now, the problem comes in with who has the correct interpretation. Saying its not in the bible, and saying i don’t agree with your interpretation of the bible are two different things.

Exactly. Your second paragraph contradicts your first.

Only a serious exercise of hermeneutical ingenuity can interpret John 3:5, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:1-7, and 1 Peter 3:20-21 as teaching anything other than that baptism is the normative means by which our sins are forgiven and we are united to Christ’s death and resurrection. And no, before you say it, no one claims that the physical removal of dirt is salvific. St. Peter is clearly talking about the ritual of baptism, although he is rightly pointing out that the physical ablution does not save in its own right (no one says it does).

However, this is really not the point. The more relevant issue for this thread is your odd claim that all Christians agree with sola scriptura and thus disregard the Fathers (on what do you base this?), and that all Christians reject baptismal regeneration. Even if my interpretation of the above passages is correct, it is certainly a reasonable interpretation. How can you exclude such a view from the pale of Christianity, especially on a sola scriptura basis?

Edwin

 

[brosam]

After reading this thread the Biblical concept of not casting your pearls to swine came to mind. If someone continues to not listen and attack you can turn the other cheek but you don’t have to speak out of that cheek…

Newark, De? You wouldn’t happen to go to Holy Family, would you?

 

[brosam]

First off any Catholic Church would accept you as a Christian Brother if you were baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

That’s great. I can’t wait to go down to my local Roman Catholic church and take the Eucharist with all of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Likewise do you believe I am a Christian that just happens to be in the wrong church or do you believe because I’m in a wrong church (that is according to you) that I am therefore not a Christian at all.?

I liken Roman Catholicism to Mormonism in that there may very well be people there who are Christians, but if they are, they’re Christians in spite of Roman Catholic teaching and not because of it.

Yes but they have the Guidance of the Holy Spirit and they do have the Authority, but again that needs to be addressed in another thread.

So do we.

Again an accusation that comes across as a little snide, but again incorrect.

I see. One church every three and a half years? What else do you call it?

I will make an accusation back which may also be incorrect, but I will guess you are relatively young- guessing not older than mid twenties max.

Early forties.

People move. When we moved we tried to find the best Bible Believing Church in the area. My Husband was raised Evangelical / Fundamentalist. He was raised in a non-denominational Bible teaching Church. Which by the way didn’t even believe repentance was necessary for salvation because repentance is a work.

Then they’re not a Bible believing church.

I asked you first

Actually, you didn’t ask me at all.

This is just not the thread to do it.

Then why did you choose to bring it up?

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I liken Roman Catholicism to Mormonism in that there may very well be people there who are Christians, but if they are, they’re Christians in spite of Roman Catholic teaching and not because of it.

Oh. My. I said the same thing once upon a time.

Teensy weensy difference - Mormons flat out reject the Trinity. Catholics defined it.

I was born again and baptized by immersion in an independent fundamental premillenial KJV Baptist church 15 years ago at the age of 19. Spent many many years believing the same Chick Tract lies about the Catholic Church that you do. I’m praying for you, my brother.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Departed from topic and closed.