We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss

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LemonAndLime said:
**One wonders whether that is culture or doctrine.

If it is culture, then you cannot blame it on the religion itself.
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If it is culture, and not properly Islamic, Islam should condemn it and it doesn’t, so, Islam lets it happen and approves.
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If it is doctrine, we are instructed to kill many people in the OT particularly. So? **

You’re an Israelite? Have you got your trumpet ready for Jericho is standing still… oh, wait, nevermind. Out of context and out of historical chronology.

Also, Catholics are threated with death. Just the spiritual kind.

Yeah, but we aren’t splashed with “spiritual” acid for falling for a Baptist girl nor do we have our “spiritual” throats cut in the street if we engage in apostasy and “artistic” “blasphemy”. No, physical violence is done to the Muslim apostate and, ironically, not by Jesus who shall be our Judge on spiritual death.

Got any more Catholic teaching you’d like to imply is evil?
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LemonAndLime said:
Are all Muslims required? Is there a strict doctrine about this all Muslims must adhere too?
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I know if I tried killing an apostate in this country, I’d soon find myself in a prison cell for the rest of my life.

Plus, it isn’t the simple one rule for all Muslims. THere’s actually a lot of debate as to whether the death penalty is a single set punishment for all apostasy, or even at all.
 
LemonAndLime said:
I’m pretty sure that mocking Jesus is a sin. 🤷
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I’m quite sure that you are right.
Mohammed was a false prophet and Islam is a false religion. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Mohammed was a desert brigand who converted people by violence and the sword, not to mention being a child molester. You judge a religion by it’s founder. Islam fails. Going from Christianity to Islam is like going from a banquet to gnawing a stone.
 
Kouyate42 said:
I know if I tried killing an apostate in this country, I’d soon find myself in a prison cell for the rest of my life.

Plus, it isn’t the simple one rule for all Muslims. THere’s actually a lot of debate as to whether the death penalty is a single set punishment for all apostasy, or even at all.
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You’d find yourself in prison because of Western law, not Shariah.

Shariah would celebrate you, not indict you.

By your line of thinking, the only real Muslims aren’t in Arab/historically (well, since their violent takeover of Christian nations) nations, but in the West.

If I mention Saudi Arabia, you will say that’s not real Islam.
Iran, same
Iraq, same
well, what is the real Islam?

And why, if it’s the real Islam, is it not Quran or Hadith Islam? Why is it not Mohammed’s Islam?

Are we in A.H. 1?

Can you choose a narrative? I’m sick of trying to keep up with your obfuscation and refusal to just bloody admit what Islam is!

The more Western a nation is, the less traditionally Islamic it is. The less Western, the more traditionally Islamic.
 
First of all, Islam is not a untied front with a leader, etc. So you cannot say that all Islam approves or disapproves of anything.

Secondly, it does disapprove of it - insideislam.wisc.edu/index.php/archives/12154

Every time a Christian kills someone and claims it was in the name of God, Church leaders are not called upon to condemn the killings and they’re rarely accused of not condemning it enough. So why are Muslims treated differently?
 
BlindManWalking said:
You’d find yourself in prison because of Western law, not Shariah.

Shariah would celebrate you, not indict you.
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Who mentioned Shariah? Oh wait, you did.
By your line of thinking, the only real Muslims aren’t in Arab/historically (well, since their violent takeover of Christian nations) nations, but in the West.
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Talking about violent takeovers, have you heard of the Crusades?
Now are you are putting words into her mouth.
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Also, post reported for swearing which I have not quoted.
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Kouyate42 said:
You might find the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was the Rasulullah or Messenger of God, as stated quite clearly in the Qur’an.
As to that second bit, I personally find that to be insulting. I’m a Muslim, and I’m also a degree-educated British citizen living and working in the UK. As per British and European law, my religious beliefs are subject to the same consideration and respect as any other religion. That includes not insulting the Holy Prophet of Allah (saw).
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Mohammed is a prophet only to moslems. The koran is on the same level as the book of mormon, a work of fiction written by the followers of Mohammed and Joseph Smith. Objective truth cannot be expected. Why any female, much less an educated one, would place themselves under an anti-female religion like Islam is truly a wonder. You have the same status as a donkey or a cow. Amazing.
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LemonAndLime said:
First of all, Islam is not a untied front with a leader, etc. So you cannot say that all Islam approves or disapproves of anything.

Secondly, it does disapprove of it - insideislam.wisc.edu/index.php/archives/12154

Every time a Christian kills someone and claims it was in the name of God, Church leaders are not called upon to condemn the killings and they’re rarely accused of not condemning it enough. So why are Muslims treated differently?
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uhhhh… ummmm… scratches head… uhhhh…

Contradiction 101 and you back it up with a bleeding opinion article at that?

Re-read the underlined portions and excuse me while I collect myself.
 
LemonAndLime said:
That’s what I hoped you’d say. My response is -

How do you know there isn’t a similar thing in Islamic teaching?
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allow me to explain it to you in a most basic terms:
Christianity-Old Testament has a lot of “bad verses”. Jesus comes and abolishes OT laws and teaches love and peace
Islam-Quran, part 1-Mohammed teaches a lot of peace and love. Then decides that “peace and love” aren’t gonna work(like for example, when Jews didn’t wish to accept him as a prophet) and decides that spreading it with a sword would be a much better idea. Quran, part 2-has all the "bad’ verses. You know, ones about killing unbelivers, Jews and all kinds of fun things. Islamic schoolars agree that later verses abolish the earlier ones. Most people who have no definate knowledge about Islamdo not know this so its easy to get confused when Muslims point out all the nice and peaceful verses and say that Islam is a religion of peace,
 
LemonAndLime said:
**Who mentioned Shariah? Oh wait, you did.

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We’re talking about the application of Shariah, unless you were unawares?

Talking about violent takeovers, have you heard of the Crusades?

You need to re-read the history of the crusades obviously.

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Now are you are putting words into her mouth.
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Bev17243 said:
allow me to explain it to you in a most basic terms:
Christianity-Old Testament has a lot of “bad verses”. Jesus comes and abolishes OT laws and teaches love and peace
Islam-Quran, part 1-Mohammed teaches a lot of peace and love. Then decides that “peace and love” aren’t gonna work(like for example, when Jews didn’t wish to accept him as a prophet) and decides that spreading it with a sword would be a much better idea. Quran, part 2-has all the "bad’ verses. You know, ones about killing unbelivers, Jews and all kinds of fun things. Islamic schoolars agree that later verses abolish the earlier ones. Most people who have no definate knowledge about Islamdo not know this so its easy to get confused when Muslims point out all the nice and peaceful verses and say that Islam is a religion of peace,
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So what’s the problem then?
 
BlindManWalking -

I am refusing to discuss anything with your further tonight. I do not think you have been charitable or polite so I will not participate until this thread moves on one way or another.
 
LemonAndLime said:
So what’s the problem then?
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er…you are the one who said"what about OT violence?" and my comment was that Jesus abolished OT laws. then you said"how do you know that Islam doesn’t have the same teachings?". So see my post above-do you understand what I wrote? In Bible, bad verses are abolished and NT only teaches love, peace and understanding.

In Quran, its the opposite-good verses first, which are superceded by violent ones
did you forget what you were asking?
 
LemonAndLime said:
So what’s the problem then?
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The problem comes in when people 1) misunderstand the context of the “bad” verses and frankly, none of the Bible is bad when understood and I challenge anyone on that.
  1. Did you not read what Bev wrote!? Mohammed starts out all cool, saying he is a new prophet. Jews and Christians laugh him out of town and he gets violent because he realizes his little trick ain’t working.
So, Muslims then point to the verses from the early days which seem peaceful and ignore the later violent verses which abrogate the peaceful verses in… Surah 1 or 2? Can’t remember. Anyway, the point Bev is making is that Islam reverses Christianity and does so by seeking excuse through the OT by totally ripping it from context.

Is Mohammed a true prophet, LemonLime? Or was he a false prophet?
 
BlindManWalking said:
The problem comes in when people 1) misunderstand the context of the “bad” verses and frankly, none of the Bible is bad when understood and I challenge anyone on that.
  1. Did you not read what Bev wrote!? Mohammed starts out all cool, saying he is a new prophet. Jews and Christians laugh him out of town and he gets violent because he realizes his little trick ain’t working.
So, Muslims then point to the verses from the early days which seem peaceful and ignore the later violent verses which abrogate the peaceful verses in… Surah 1 or 2? Can’t remember. Anyway, the point Bev is making is that Islam reverses Christianity and does so by seeking excuse through the OT by totally ripping it from context.

Is Mohammed a true prophet, LemonLime? Or was he a false prophet?
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well, you seem to understand what I wrote:thumbsup:. and here I thought I was speaking Chinese or something;)
 
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