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We All Should Revere Columbus, Not Revile Him - Crisis Magazine
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It is sad if people think childish, arrogant, cartoonish history is worth watching.On the other hand we have propaganda like
He makes a big deal “denying that Columbus discovered the America’s” because he only went to Central America and South America, did not make it into Florida .
And so are we to believe that the millions of people who live in South America ( as well as those living in Central America) do not have the right to claim to be “Americans” because only those living in USA have a right to that claim ? How arrogant !
Good Video
Good Video
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Honoring Christopher Columbus
by WARREN H CARROLL
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ABSTRACT: Columbus was a flawed hero—as all men are flawed, including heroes—and his flaws are of a kind particularly offensive to today’s culture. But he was nevertheless a hero, achieving in a manner unequalled in the history of exploration and the sea, changing history forever. For some strange reason heroism is almost anathema to our age, at least to many of its most vocal spokesmen. But heroes and the inspiration they give are essential to uplift men and women; without them, faceless mediocrity will soon descend into apathy and degradation. Heroes need not be perfect; indeed, given the fallen nature of man, none can be perfect. It is right to criticize their failings, but wrong to deny their greatness and the inspiration they can give. - CERC
[T]he discovery of America by Christopher Columbus, unprecedented attention is being focused by historians, journalists, and public opinion samplers upon Columbus and what he did.
Many are telling us that what Columbus did is not an event that should be honored—that it was not even a real discovery at all, because there were people already in the Americas when he found them. They tell us that this five hundredth anniversary should be an occasion to condemn Columbus, not to praise him.
Let us begin, therefore, by defining the word “ discovery” in the context of history. A discovery is made when an individual or a nation finds something or someone or some people or some places of special importance, not previously known to them.
When any previously unknown people is first found by another people, that people may be said to have been discovered. People as well as places can be discovered. The fact that people live in places unknown to another people does not mean that they, and the places where they live, cannot be discovered.
No people from any other part of the world ever discovered Europe; but Europeans discovered all other parts of the world.
In all of history, only the Europeans and the Polynesians of the south Pacific have been true discoverers, sailing for the explicit purpose of finding new lands, trading with their people, and colonizing them. And of all discoverers Christopher Columbus was the greatest, because he accomplished the most against the highest odds.
by WARREN H CARROLL
Part 1
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ABSTRACT: Columbus was a flawed hero—as all men are flawed, including heroes—and his flaws are of a kind particularly offensive to today’s culture. But he was nevertheless a hero, achieving in a manner unequalled in the history of exploration and the sea, changing history forever. For some strange reason heroism is almost anathema to our age, at least to many of its most vocal spokesmen. But heroes and the inspiration they give are essential to uplift men and women; without them, faceless mediocrity will soon descend into apathy and degradation. Heroes need not be perfect; indeed, given the fallen nature of man, none can be perfect. It is right to criticize their failings, but wrong to deny their greatness and the inspiration they can give. - CERC
[T]he discovery of America by Christopher Columbus, unprecedented attention is being focused by historians, journalists, and public opinion samplers upon Columbus and what he did.
Many are telling us that what Columbus did is not an event that should be honored—that it was not even a real discovery at all, because there were people already in the Americas when he found them. They tell us that this five hundredth anniversary should be an occasion to condemn Columbus, not to praise him.
Let us begin, therefore, by defining the word “ discovery” in the context of history. A discovery is made when an individual or a nation finds something or someone or some people or some places of special importance, not previously known to them.
When any previously unknown people is first found by another people, that people may be said to have been discovered. People as well as places can be discovered. The fact that people live in places unknown to another people does not mean that they, and the places where they live, cannot be discovered.
No people from any other part of the world ever discovered Europe; but Europeans discovered all other parts of the world.
In all of history, only the Europeans and the Polynesians of the south Pacific have been true discoverers, sailing for the explicit purpose of finding new lands, trading with their people, and colonizing them. And of all discoverers Christopher Columbus was the greatest, because he accomplished the most against the highest odds.
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Before Columbus’ time all European voyages had followed coastlines, or crossed open seas to lands previously known or at least sighted by storm-driven ships. Only Columbus set off directly across a broad, unknown sea with no specific knowledge of how far it extended or what lay on the other side.
To be sure, Columbus was convinced that he could reach Asia from Europe within the time during which the provisions he carried in his three ships would sustain his men. But he was wrong about that. If America had not existed—had not been in the way—Columbus would have had to turn back long before reaching his goal, or he and every man on his ships would have died.(1)
But Columbus undertook his voyage with more evidence that he could complete it than his unfounded assumptions about the size of the world and the distance to Asia. For most of his professional life as a seaman he had ranged the eastern Atlantic, from West Africa to Iceland, in particular spending much time on Portugal’s Atlantic islands. He had picked up reliable reports of strange vegetation and carved, hand-worked objects drifting in from the west, even of two bodies of men who were neither whites nor blacks.
He had studied the wind patterns of the Atlantic, noting that from the Canary Islands off the Atlantic coast of North Africa the winds (now called trades ) mostly blow from east to west, while further north, on the coast of Portugal and northern Spain and France, the winds (now called prevailing westerlies ) blow just as steadily from west to east. Therefore he could sail west with the trades and home with the westerlies, with the winds fair both ways. No other man of his time had thought of that. (2)
The vegetation and the carved objects and the bodies could not have floated all the way from Asia to Europe if they were as far apart as the experts claimed who believed the world to be larger than Columbus had calculated. He was sure—and he was right—that there was land to the west within reach of the sailing ships fifteenth-century Europe had.
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More to sail your way later …
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To be sure, Columbus was convinced that he could reach Asia from Europe within the time during which the provisions he carried in his three ships would sustain his men. But he was wrong about that. If America had not existed—had not been in the way—Columbus would have had to turn back long before reaching his goal, or he and every man on his ships would have died.(1)
But Columbus undertook his voyage with more evidence that he could complete it than his unfounded assumptions about the size of the world and the distance to Asia. For most of his professional life as a seaman he had ranged the eastern Atlantic, from West Africa to Iceland, in particular spending much time on Portugal’s Atlantic islands. He had picked up reliable reports of strange vegetation and carved, hand-worked objects drifting in from the west, even of two bodies of men who were neither whites nor blacks.
He had studied the wind patterns of the Atlantic, noting that from the Canary Islands off the Atlantic coast of North Africa the winds (now called trades ) mostly blow from east to west, while further north, on the coast of Portugal and northern Spain and France, the winds (now called prevailing westerlies ) blow just as steadily from west to east. Therefore he could sail west with the trades and home with the westerlies, with the winds fair both ways. No other man of his time had thought of that. (2)
The vegetation and the carved objects and the bodies could not have floated all the way from Asia to Europe if they were as far apart as the experts claimed who believed the world to be larger than Columbus had calculated. He was sure—and he was right—that there was land to the west within reach of the sailing ships fifteenth-century Europe had.
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More to sail your way later …
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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/people/reference/aboriginal-australians/
Australian Aborigines colonized Australia some 50.000 years ago
Australian Aborigines colonized Australia some 50.000 years ago
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Quote from Steven D. Greydanus:
Yes, Christopher Columbus, accomplishments notwithstanding, was a direct party to rape and slavery, but he didn’t personally engineer all or even most of the suffering of the New World’s indigenous peoples from 1492 onward. Had Columbus died at sea before arriving in the Bahamas, the shape of subsequent history would have been largely unaltered.
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3 million views. Dumb. In the video posted, it states that because Columbus did more voyages(no mention of 4) bringing back more soldiers(1200), that Taino tribe members were killed up to 1544. Failed to mention smallpox.On the other hand we have propaganda like this making it difficult to get a truthful picture.
No mention that Columbus died in 1506.A smallpox epidemic in Hispaniola in 1518–1519 killed almost 90% of the surviving Taíno. The remaining Taíno were intermarried with Europeans and Africans, and were incorporated into the Spanish colonies. The Taíno were considered extinct at the end of the century.
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Observe that video in the second post. Although, this is presented as a teenager, 16 years of age or so, correcting his teacher it clearly was not made by a teenager. The script runs perfectly. No teenager is going to produce that kind of quality. Someone with trained professional experience polished that dialogue to run so smooth. A highly trained, well paid, college educated and trained professional.
I showed it to someone in the industry and she told me that just making that quality of video costs about $20,000 a minute. She said Disney movie quality is about $1 Million per minute. At 5 minutes that was over $100,000 dollars.
This was definitely a professional hit job on Christopher Columbus.
Think of the atheist who made an add asking for money at the Democratic debate.
Notice also that religion was not even mentioned.
Or, that Columbus wanted gold that he donated so that rescue efforts could be made in a crusade to free the Christians in the Holy Land. Or that every night this valiant Captain led his men in prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the glory and honor of her Son, our Lord, Jesus
La Santa Maria (the Holy Mary ), the flagship, had an even longer name, La Santa María de la Inmaculada Concepción (The Holy Mary of the Immaculate Conception).
It used to be that Satan openly attacked and made fun of religion.
Now, with the younger generation, all mention of religion is completely avoided.
Scary in a way,
Yes, God does win in the end, and all who persevere to the end will be saved.
But, for some it is difficult to even begin the journey.
" On the return of the first voyage, difficulties multiplied. The hardships endured were much more severe than those of the westward sailing and tested the mettle of all crew members. Food was scarce and supplies rapidly diminished. More than one hurricane struck and battered the caravels mercilessly. The Santa María had already sunk on December 25, 1492, after having run aground.
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The end seemed imminent on February 14, 1493. Columbus called together the crew, and urged them to implore God’s help.
After praying for a time, each crew member made a solemn vow to make a pilgrimage if the lot should fall to him. Columbus directed that the first act of thanksgiving be a pilgrimage to the famous Marian shrine of Santa María de Guadalupe in southern Spain, …
(Christopher Columbus became a third order Franciscan.)
In the fifteenth century the theological opponents of the mystery of the Immaculate Conception were varied and vocal. But the Franciscans were early and ardent supporters of the doctrine. As early as 1263 the Franciscans celebrated the feast of the Immaculate Conception." Which was defined in AD 1854
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I showed it to someone in the industry and she told me that just making that quality of video costs about $20,000 a minute. She said Disney movie quality is about $1 Million per minute. At 5 minutes that was over $100,000 dollars.
This was definitely a professional hit job on Christopher Columbus.
Think of the atheist who made an add asking for money at the Democratic debate.
Notice also that religion was not even mentioned.
Or, that Columbus wanted gold that he donated so that rescue efforts could be made in a crusade to free the Christians in the Holy Land. Or that every night this valiant Captain led his men in prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the glory and honor of her Son, our Lord, Jesus
La Santa Maria (the Holy Mary ), the flagship, had an even longer name, La Santa María de la Inmaculada Concepción (The Holy Mary of the Immaculate Conception).
It used to be that Satan openly attacked and made fun of religion.
Now, with the younger generation, all mention of religion is completely avoided.
Scary in a way,
Yes, God does win in the end, and all who persevere to the end will be saved.
But, for some it is difficult to even begin the journey.
" On the return of the first voyage, difficulties multiplied. The hardships endured were much more severe than those of the westward sailing and tested the mettle of all crew members. Food was scarce and supplies rapidly diminished. More than one hurricane struck and battered the caravels mercilessly. The Santa María had already sunk on December 25, 1492, after having run aground.
Vows
The end seemed imminent on February 14, 1493. Columbus called together the crew, and urged them to implore God’s help.
After praying for a time, each crew member made a solemn vow to make a pilgrimage if the lot should fall to him. Columbus directed that the first act of thanksgiving be a pilgrimage to the famous Marian shrine of Santa María de Guadalupe in southern Spain, …
(Christopher Columbus became a third order Franciscan.)
In the fifteenth century the theological opponents of the mystery of the Immaculate Conception were varied and vocal. But the Franciscans were early and ardent supporters of the doctrine. As early as 1263 the Franciscans celebrated the feast of the Immaculate Conception." Which was defined in AD 1854
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Amen! Columbus did nothing wrong!
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I am very grateful Christopher Columbus had a heart for God and the desire to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ which led to his discovery of the Americas.
Muslims, following the dictates of the Koran, seek to spread what the consider the best, Sharia Law, into the whole world. With the exception of Spain, very few if any countries have been able to break free from the shackles of that system. I think we can all (except for Muslims of course) agree that they enforce a set of oppressive laws (unless you hold that having sex slaves is not oppressive or offensive.)
Since they seek to spread what they consider Allah’s gift to them, we should consider what would have happened if the Muslims arrived before Christians did ? What would it be like to live in North or South America under Muslim rule ? We would all be speaking Arabic, and that would be the least of our problems.
I thank God for Christopher Columbus. He was not a perfect hero, but his character surpassed many.
We have to judge each person by the standard of his own time. Did such an individual rise above it or sink below it ?
Columbus clearly rose above his.
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Muslims, following the dictates of the Koran, seek to spread what the consider the best, Sharia Law, into the whole world. With the exception of Spain, very few if any countries have been able to break free from the shackles of that system. I think we can all (except for Muslims of course) agree that they enforce a set of oppressive laws (unless you hold that having sex slaves is not oppressive or offensive.)
Since they seek to spread what they consider Allah’s gift to them, we should consider what would have happened if the Muslims arrived before Christians did ? What would it be like to live in North or South America under Muslim rule ? We would all be speaking Arabic, and that would be the least of our problems.
I thank God for Christopher Columbus. He was not a perfect hero, but his character surpassed many.
We have to judge each person by the standard of his own time. Did such an individual rise above it or sink below it ?
Columbus clearly rose above his.
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Clearly his arrival in the New World was a watershed event. I can’t treat him indifferently, he’s too important for that. But there is Columbus the man, and what Columbus represented, both to the European powers and to the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It’s hard to argue that for the latter, the arrival of the Europeans was a catastrophe of almost unimaginable proportions.
Perhaps a more realistic Columbus Day that spent some time talking about the devastation that European colonization represented. But apparently we live in an age when the descendants of those colonists only want to hear happy stories, and don’t want to hear stories of enslavement, genocide and ghost villages where smallpox reached native populations sometimes years before Europeans arrived.
Perhaps a more realistic Columbus Day that spent some time talking about the devastation that European colonization represented. But apparently we live in an age when the descendants of those colonists only want to hear happy stories, and don’t want to hear stories of enslavement, genocide and ghost villages where smallpox reached native populations sometimes years before Europeans arrived.
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I think the disease ravages were horrific. But people in the time of Columbus had no idea that diseases which their ethnic populations had through time rendered less harmful could affect populations in the New World.
May I remind you also that only 150 or so years earlier, close to 2/3rds of the population of EUROPE had been wiped out by the Bubonic plague --which came from Asia? Which people still had no idea and did not for centuries that it was spread by fleas on rats?
The reason that the plague spread from Asia to Europe had to do with the opening of trade routes in order to promote commerce and free trade.
Probably quite a lot of the population in Europe in those days would have seen the Pax Mongolica and the opening of the trade routes which resulted in the spread of this disease as a catastrophe of almost unimaginable proportions as well.
May I remind you also that only 150 or so years earlier, close to 2/3rds of the population of EUROPE had been wiped out by the Bubonic plague --which came from Asia? Which people still had no idea and did not for centuries that it was spread by fleas on rats?
The reason that the plague spread from Asia to Europe had to do with the opening of trade routes in order to promote commerce and free trade.
Probably quite a lot of the population in Europe in those days would have seen the Pax Mongolica and the opening of the trade routes which resulted in the spread of this disease as a catastrophe of almost unimaginable proportions as well.
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And yet smallpox radically altered the demographic map of the Americas in some cases years before any European explorers reached a given area. Small pox greatly facilitated the conquest of the New World, more reliably softening any resistance than any military force. Sure, 15th and 16th century Europeans had little sense of the apocalypse they brought with them, but they were beneficiaries none the less.
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Smallpox affected Europeans too. In the 15th and 16th centuries more people died from it than recovered in Europe as well as the New World.
You also forget the wheel, the horse, and guns. (Gunpowder, of course, coming from Asia as well).
You also forget the wheel, the horse, and guns. (Gunpowder, of course, coming from Asia as well).
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I tell my kids that Columbus lived in a different time when people didn’t know as much how to be kind to each other.
I don’t teach them to revere or revile him.
I don’t teach them to revere or revile him.
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