We Are All Being Duped

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Hi All,

There are those among us who want nothing more than to keep Americans arguing about homosexuals and atheists. Fanning the flames of such cultural differences serves the power-broker’s interest of keeping our eyes off the ball. While we are distracted, the plutocrats are continuing to consolidate their power, wealth, and control of the world’s resources.

There is a long history of deliberately drumming up antipathy between groups representing potential threats to the oligarchs in America. As Howard Zinn explained in A People’s History of the United States, manufacturing or at least feeding racism was necessary to prevent rebellion against the aristocracy by keeping the poorer whites and white servants from allying with the black slaves and to keep black slaves from allying with the native Americans. I am convinced that there is something of that sort going on today with regard to homosexuality, immigration, and religion. I don’t think right-wing political strategists care a bit about conservative Christian morality. They aren’t particularly racist or homophobic either. Their interest in pandering to the undereducated rural religious is due to some significant negative statistical correlations between education and religion, wealth and religion, and population density and religion. Poorer, more rurally located, and less educated Americans aren’t likely to see laissez faire economics as addressing their needs because of the fact that it just doesn’t. Since Republicans can’t successfully argue that they are better able than the Democrats to help improve economic situation of the poor (unless they happen to be willing to wait for the crumbs to “trickle down”), it is necessary for Republicans to play on and inflame cultural divisions to attract poor rural white voters especially in Southern states.

When the Republican, urban, manufacturing North won the Civil War and became rich, the rich took over the Republican party. FDR ran as a Democrat to ally himself with the poor. He was able to exploit the fact that the South would not vote Republican because the humiliation of the Civil War was still too vivid. The Republicans needed a way to overcome Southern enmity for the North heldover from the Civil War and to gain the votes of white Southerners. They found it. The Nixon campaign formulated what was called “The Southern Strategy” of covertly harnessing unconscious and overt racial bigotry and using explicit religious rhetorical grandstanding.

Carl Rove was not as much of a revolutionary in his campaign strategizing as people tend to think he is. The term “Southern Strategy” was popularized in a 1970 New York Times article based on an interview with Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips. “Most voters, [Phillips] had found, still voted on the basis of ethnic and cultural enmities that could be graphed, predicted, and exploited.” In explaining why “Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act,” Phillips said:

“The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”

None of this means that Phillips or Nixon were themselves racist any more than the right wing power-brokers of today are especially pious, but they were cynical and power hungry enough to exploit Southern racism for political ends using a “dog-whistle” approach for conveying a controversial message while retaining plausible deniability. For example, the term “states rights” was code for posing as anti-integrationsists without being overtly anti-integration. Today it is code for overturning Roe v. Wade. George W. Bush was able to successfully employ a similar tactic in using key religious phrases and code words that would perk up the ears of his evangelical supporters without having to own potentially embarrassing commitments to specific religious beliefs and opposition to abortion rights since they may fly over the heads of non-evangelicals.

I think much discussion about religion is distorted and needlessly inflammatory on both sides. I don’t blame it on the religious; I blame it on the corporatists who are simply taking advantage of the religious with a well-oiled right-wing propaganda echo-machine. The more heat they can generate through talk radio and Fox News, the easier it is for the kleptocrats to steal our money while we’re looking in the other direction. Today the militant atheists are unwittingly feeding into the “Southernization” of politics–right wing attempts to exploit cultural enmities to get voters to vote against their own economic interests. We are being duped just as the evangelicals are. I’m not generally much of a conspiracy theorist, and I have no evidence to offer that the there is some secret cabal working to keep the religion debate a heated one. I’m not actually imagining a smoke filled room where a dozen silver-haired men secretly pull all the strings; however, whether or not there is something deliberate like the Southern Strategy going on today, there are people who are benefitting from a politics of enmity who probably don’t care a lick about homosexuals and atheists or religion, and it ain’t us. Such people have a strong interest in painting efforts to get fair treatment in the workplace as “godless” socialism even if they have no other thoughts about God.

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Leela
 
nice post

worldwide catholics are overwhelmingly "democratic " in the sense that they would not vote for an American Republican

anybody who tells u different is smoking something Most Catholics around the world deplore the American version of it

Social justice is the reason for this and a main tenant of Catholic teaching

Americans who are 'Catholic and vote have some idea that all Republican beliefs are Catholic ones which the rest of the World laughs at I have lived in 30 countries and always the same response
 
*Hi Leela,

You need to realize that you have left out the most important part of the equation here,…“GOD!”

No matter how smart we think we are, and no matter what we figure out down here, He is the only one Who can see the whole and thus He is the only one Who knows what we need to do. As articulate and as well informed as you are;…you are NOT God!

DesertSister62*
 
docgm said:
and neither are u desertsister so why post a reply
*Well, “docgm,” I replied because as well informed as the person is,…the bottom line is that being informed does not always give us the best answer. I notice that neither you nor “Leela” have put down a religious preference. That indicates to me that it is probable that neither or you have given any thought to the place that God should occupy in our decisions. You can write down a lot of words but if you are depending on only your own powers of observation then it is possible that you won’t be coming up with what would be the best answer in the long run. This is nothing personal. I have simply made an observation. The vehicle is called the Catholic Answers forums for a reason.

DesertSister62 *
 
*Well, “docgm,” I replied because as well informed as the person is,…the bottom line is that being informed does not always give us the best answer. I notice that neither you nor “Leela” have put down a religious preference. That indicates to me that it is probable that neither or you have given any thought to the place that God should occupy in our decisions. You can write down a lot of words but if you are depending on only your own powers of observation then it is possible that you won’t be coming up with what would be the best answer in the long run. This is nothing personal. I have simply made an observation. The vehicle is called the Catholic Answers forums for a reason.

DesertSister62 *
Very good post, Desertsister62.
Here in Ireland, the liberal media and politicians trip hand in hand even amid the dreadful economic chaos. One politician even went so far as to say that he did not bring his religion(Catholicism) to work with him as it is a “private” matter! This is the sort of cowardly guff we are expected to take from these overpaid idiots.
But there is hope. A great number of decent Irish Catholics who are not given media representation still doggedly keep the Faith. They know, as you rightly point out that it is only through God will we find our answers.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.🙂
 
I’m not a fan of Democrats or Republicans. Both are incredibly biased and either can’t or don’t want to understand the other side’s position. I believe in compromise, which the country was founded on, and also agree with George Washington when he warned the USA against political parties. They just divide us. Many members of political parties are stubborn and refuse to vote for a candidate from the other party, for no reason other than they are from the other party, even if they are the better candidate.

There is also something seriously wrong when it’s been many decades since someone from a third party has been elected to the Presidency. I believe people should run for office on their own merit and not as a candidate from X party. I am also not a fan of special interest/lobbyist groups. Many of them are corrupt and unfortunately candidates accept donations from them and then give them tax money once they’re elected to office.
 
*You need to realize that you have left out the most important part of the equation here,…“GOD!”
*
An issue for those of us outside the US is what appears to be a widespread belief there in a myth of God On Our Side against constant attacks by Satan, a one-sided reading of Romans 8:31 satirized by Bob Dylan decades ago.

Does the US always need an enemy to survive intact, even if it’s an invented enemy within? It has around 5% of the world population. Given its disproportionate arsenal and what looks like a widespread propensity to fundamentalism, we’re perfectly happy when they want to argue amongst themselves. It just feels safer. 🙂
 
If you stand back and look at politics and God. You may ask what is more in line with what God approves. Although no man made political formula in 100% approved by God. That’s why we in the US believe in separation of Church and state.Having said that, look at leftists vs right. Go to the extreme left, you will be speaking of communism. Does God approve of the leftist ideology of lack of free will/freedom or does He approve more of a ideology of more free will/freedom from the right? All Christians will say that God gave us free will. Gov’t doesn’t have that right to take that away. So, it makes since that most Christians would call themselves right wing/conservative.
I know leftists in America aren’t communists, but they follow many formulas that the communists do. Such as gov’t control of more of your money,healthcare control. That takes more choices away from the people, therefore lack of freedom/free will.
To say the right wing distorts the truth to the poor south is just a bogus claim. The leftist media is the one that distorts truth. It actually lies at times.
Also, the right wing has more moral values that most Christians agree with such antiabortion ,allowing Christians to put Christmas decoration on gov’t grounds, placing the 10 commandments on gov’t grounds, school prayer and many others. Leftists have a history of taking these rights away in our country , in Hitler’s country, communist Russia. The leftist have a very bad record on these things. The right wing protects these rights. To say the uneducated southern poor got duped, is just bogus.
 
I like your post, Leela. What you said needed to be said.

I personally hate both the Democratic and Republican Party. I hate both socialism and capitalism. I am most fanatically pro-life, but I really don’t see any progress being made in that direction by the Republicans. I probably won’t vote Republican ever again. Nor will I vote Democrat, probably. But, heck, I don’t know. Maybe in a couple of years, America won’t exist anymore. I’m really feeling that. Hope I’m terribly wrong. But, on the other hand, I hope I’m right.:(:o
worldwide catholics are overwhelmingly "democratic " in the sense that they would not vote for an American Republican

anybody who tells u different is smoking something Most Catholics around the world deplore the American version of it
Really? I’d like to see some statistics on this. Last I heard (and it was a few years ago … and perhaps not from a reliable source), most Catholics vote Democrat. This is because the Democrats sided with Catholic interests before abortion was legalized. However, decades after Roe v. Wade, it was still in the tradition of Catholics to vote Democrat, and so even today I run into countless Catholics who vote Democrat. They do tend to be liberal and use contraception, of course. But nonetheless, it is far from the truth that Catholics are overwhelmingly Republican.

But, heck, I don’t know. Use statistics to prove me wrong. Maybe I am wrong now, and what I’ve said isn’t true anymore.
 
If you are Catholic and you vote democrat, you support the one YOU elected to support abortion. Do you support abortion or not? Our gov’t in America is a representative gov’t, in other words the one you elected votes in congress for or against your support for abortion. Most “right wingers” are against abortion, your choice.
 
Most “right wingers” are against abortion, your choice.
Most right-wingers claim that are against abortion but never do anything about it when they’re in office. What the heck did Bush do? Didn’t the abortion industry grow more under Bush than under Clinton?

Once again, I hate politics (or rather, the sham that is called politics in America), so I really don’t know anything. Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
Did right wingers have the votes in congress to pass a bill to illegalize abortion since it was made legal? No. They never have. What they HAVE done is make a stance in running for office with the antiabortion stance. To say they don’t have the power is NOT the same as they are NOT doing anything.
It comes down to are you voting for one who wants abortion or ( in your eyes) are doing nothing that don’t want abortion.
Does God want you to vote for an abortion supporter? No. If you can’t vote for a republican, then don’t vote.
 
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