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The gloating journalism aside, the USCatholic Church begins to sound like a Soviet era collective. All that’s needed is a 5 yr plan and a target for grain production.🙂 Can we expect purges of recidivists soon?!?

In the original German version of ‘Salt of the Earth’ Joseph Ratzinger speculated that Catholic life might be reduced to something like the Israeli kibbutz. What changes he has seen in his lifetime.
For Catholic Laity, a Spirit of Change
****Expanding Roles Will Test New Pope’s Vow to Promote Greater Inclusiveness

By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 1, 2005; A03
INVERNESS, Ill. – The leadership of Holy Family Catholic Community gathered the other night to discuss parish business. Seventy-five men and women, none of them ordained, shared readings from Isaiah and John. A Latin hymn rose from a baritone in the back row, and everyone joined in.

All the while, a mild-looking auburn-haired man in a blue blazer and an open-necked shirt leaned against a table to the side, watching and saying nothing until they began discussing management issues. He was the parish pastor, the Rev. Pat Brennan, who works closely with lay members of his congregation and describes his primary role as “the bearer of the vision.”

The influence and activism of the laity is becoming a defining feature of the U.S. Catholic Church, with parishes such as Holy Family drawing creatively from church canons as they tread carefully among the dictates of Rome. Despite last month’s election of a pope loyal to tradition, Brennan and many other Catholics believe the church must continue to innovate, not least through the laity, if it is to overcome a perilous shortage of priests and thrive.

“If the church wants to survive, it will change. If we have a death wish, it will stay with its blinders on and people will vote with their feet,” said Brennan, 58. “Bishops and cardinals have to listen more to the people, for the Holy Spirit is operating there, as well.”

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Whatever Benedict may decree, many U.S. Catholics say they intend to continue their experiments in church leadership. They believe the growing influence of lay people means greater openness in parish finances, healthier debate and more influential roles for women. Many say the sexual abuse scandal would have been less extensive if lay leaders had been privy to the treatment of abusive priests and their frequent transfer from parish to parish by knowing bishops.

Such thinking marks a real change for the church. Not so long ago – and in many parishes still – priests exercised complete control over parish finances and conducted much of the parish’s business themselves. Now, with fewer priests, lay Catholics are assuming many roles traditionally saved for the clergy. At a time of widespread disappointment with Vatican orthodoxy, dioceses and parishes are anxious to solve problems and reach people.

“In America, you’ll be hard-pressed to find anyone who’s opposed in principle to the laity participating in strictly church-related matters. The church allows laity to do all sorts of things that used to be proper to clerics,” said Michael Sirilla, theology professor at Franciscan University of Steubenville, in Ohio.

Canon law grants considerable latitude to allow “the religious imagination of the local church” to meet its needs, said Dolores R. Leckey, senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Woodstock Theological Center. “It’s not like there’s a prohibition. It’s that there’s a culture that weighs you down.”

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That pleases Linda Thomas, a neighborhood ministry leader within Holy Family. “He listens to people. So many other churches are hierarchical and kind of out of touch with the times,” Thomas said. “I don’t want to just follow how it was in the old days, when you didn’t ask anything or question anything.”

Necessity, more than desire, has dictated a similarly unconventional approach in St. Fidelis Parish in a downtrodden downtown Chicago neighborhood. For 10 years, the parish has been run without a priest by Sister Leonette Kaluzny, who is entitled to do everything a priest can do except administer the sacraments, which include hearing confessions.

"I hear confessions anyway," the Polish-born Kaluzny, 69, said with a smile. “You do a lot of counseling in this ministry.” …]

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/30/AR2005043000719_pf.html
In Marxist terminology I think this is known as ‘dialectic’. You make changes. Then the solution to the chaos caused is…more changes.

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Very good for them they live in America. They can start their own church so that they do not have to listen to the uncomfortable moral teachings and change their lives.
 
Fr. Brennan started out good 30 years ago. I have some old stuff that he wrote on evangelization, for instance. He still has some worthwhile observations to offer. But he’s also gone off the deep end.
 
Necessity, more than desire, has dictated a similarly unconventional approach in St. Fidelis Parish in a downtrodden downtown Chicago neighborhood.
Since when is Humbolt Park downtown Chicago? And, actually, the neighborhood is starting to regentrify.
 
You know, maybe if these people made a serious theological argument for their postition I would listen. Too bad the entire justification for their agenda is “We want.”
 
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Very good for them they live in America. They can start their own church so that they do not have to listen to the uncomfortable moral teachings and change their lives.
If these radicals want change, they may want to start by reforming their lives. That may mean stopping the contraception, accepting all that Mother Church teaches and returning to the sacrament of confession. Now those are really radical ideas. Perhaps too radical for these types.
 
They could be radicals, they could be truely catholics or leave it
 
…Necessity, more than desire, has dictated a similarly unconventional approach in St. Fidelis Parish in a downtrodden downtown Chicago neighborhood. For 10 years, the parish has been run without a priest by Sister Leonette Kaluzny, who is entitled to do everything a priest can do except administer the sacraments, which include hearing confessions.
"I hear confessions anyway," the Polish-born Kaluzny, 69, said with a smile. “You do a lot of counseling in this ministry.” …]
While this is at the very least a job of sloppy journalism, it is not necessarily anything heterodox. In various roles I fill around the parish, people sometimes tell me things that they really ought to be telling a confessor. There is absolutely no question that when this happens I am not hearing a Sacramental Confession (which I recommend to them, if appropriate) and can not grant absolution, but sometimes people just need to talk.

The story above says Sr Kaluzny was born in Poland, possibly her command of english is not quite that of a native speaker. I imagine that her statement may have been taken out of context by a reporter eager to create the impression of a nun acting as a female priest.
 
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“If the church wants to survive, it will change. If we have a death wish, it will stay with its blinders on and people will vote with their feet,” said Brennan, 58. “Bishops and cardinals have to listen more to the people, for the Holy Spirit is operating there, as well.”
**“I hear confessions anyway,” the Polish-born Kaluzny, 69, said with a smile. “You do a lot of counseling in this ministry.”
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Ever notice how all those people agitating for change in the Church are middle aged?
 
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