We are destroying the faith from inside

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Traditional vs post Vat 11

Labelling Catholics as traditional progressive modern cafeteria ,

Music -handels alleuhah by London Symphony vs the Chorus by clapsticks and didge

Pray hand positions, kneeling , standing, looking sideways to greetva fellow worshipper

Modesty vs whatever else, according to personal opinion.

AL vs well we just dont agree or understand

Obedience vs well I dont agree

Saints vs none.

Mass in Latin vs Mass in Pintinjarra

I am sinning vs that person is causing me to sin

Church looking whatever we think is Holy vs the upturned manger being used for an Alter

Clergy , did they really say the proper words or are they abusing the Mass.

Lovely little implosion going on from within , if CAF is a global representation.
 
Go to Pinterest when it gets stuffy,Rose!
There are enjoyable projects to try there.:
If coming to CAF is time for you,I mean,one can always take a break and do something else.
Enjoy!
 
Go to Pinterest when it gets stuffy,Rose!
There are enjoyable projects to try there.:
If coming to CAF is time for you,I mean,one can always take a break and do something else.
Enjoy!
Yes a nice calming crochet session on ravellry…

the point here is solidarity, regardless of opinions. Grow the Catholic counterculture in solidarity in this secular world.

We are too divisive, if CAF is any sort of population representation on a global scale.
 
Yes a nice calming crochet session on ravellry…

the point here is solidarity, regardless of opinions. Grow the Catholic counterculture in solidarity in this secular world.

We are too divisive, if CAF is any sort of population representation on a global scale.
It’s the internet. People with strong opinions tend to be the most likely to post.
 
Handel’s Alleluia by London Symphony.
Apparently it’s OK for the poster to use punctuation and grammar however they please… I would like to point out that at some point Using Handel’s music at Mass was a “new thing”. If I am not mistaken at some point the Church discouraged composer’s performances at Mass because it detracted from worship.

“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell** shall not prevail against it."

Sit back and think about how many societies and governments have died away and the Church is still here. How could you possibly think mere humans could destroy the Church.**
 
Handel’s Alleluia by London Symphony.
Apparently it’s OK for the poster to use punctuation and grammar however they please… I would like to point out that at some point Using Handel’s music at Mass was a “new thing”. If I am not mistaken at some point the Church discouraged composer’s performances at Mass because it detracted from worship.

“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell** shall not prevail against it."

Sit back and think about how many societies and governments have died away and the Church is still here. How could you possibly think mere humans could destroy the Church.**

It’s always a rocky downslope when we start pointing out grammar and punctuation. It then behoves us to perfection. There but for the Grace of God go I.
That pesky spell/ grammar check failed your post as well I see. The most annoying thing I find is the spell check keeps stealing the u from various words I type. Humour , spellcheck style.

But we digress!

So what’s your stance on the same arrangement by our good friend Handel , performed with clapsticks and didge?
Not in Mass, my dear, at Christmas time. Christmas Carol events, special events when a professional is on hand to really crank out the pipes.
But the same can be said for guitar and Tamborine in Mass vs organ and voice.

Destroying the faith and destroying the Church are very seperate issues.

Now somewhere , quite crucial a passage, in Mark, Jesus says a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself it can’t stand.

We are the Body of the Church. In Corinthians , it is discussed if one part suffers, all suffers, if one part is honoured, all parts rejoice. We are the Body of Christ, we are all members.

Yes this is the internet, it’s a great way for society to illustrate, unwittingly, in a very modern way, the underlying vibe.

We are fracturing our faith, our body, from within.
 
I completely agree with everything above. I’m torn between praising the helpful, kind, witty, and knowledgeable posters on here from whom I have learned things about the Bible and catechism…and saying that the other group of haters and nit-pickers has been my worst experience of “Catholicism” in my entire life, or at least since I discovered at age 8 that most of my Catholic school classmates and their parents were openly racially prejudiced (not the case in my own home).

I like to crochet too…maybe that is the answer
 
Ever since the first century there have been disagreements. And here we are 2,000 years later. Rejoice and be glad.:clapping:
 
I completely agree with everything above. I’m torn between praising the helpful, kind, witty, and knowledgeable posters on here from whom I have learned things about the Bible and catechism…and saying that the other group of haters and nit-pickers has been my worst experience of “Catholicism” in my entire life, or at least since I discovered at age 8 that most of my Catholic school classmates and their parents were openly racially prejudiced (not the case in my own home).

I like to crochet too…maybe that is the answer
There has been a change…
When I landed on CAF, an atheist taught me some of the essentials of science. An agnostic shared wonderful thoughts. Another atheist shared the struggles of her choice. We respected different world views.

Now there are the Catholics who do not understand complete Catholicism. And what is really sad is that they do not know how to used common sense in building doctrine upon doctrine. And yes, some of the so-called Catholicism is hard to take.

My only advice is to hang on to the Eucharist, especially when we receive Holy Communion. It is the essentials of Holy Sacrifice of the Mass which are all important.
 
It’s always a rocky downslope when we start pointing out grammar and punctuation. It then behoves us to perfection. There but for the Grace of God go I.
That pesky spell/ grammar check failed your post as well I see. The most annoying thing I find is the spell check keeps stealing the u from various words I type. Humour , spellcheck style.

But we digress!

So what’s your stance on the same arrangement by our good friend Handel , performed with clapsticks and didge?
Not in Mass, my dear, at Christmas time. Christmas Carol events, special events when a professional is on hand to really crank out the pipes.
But the same can be said for guitar and Tamborine in Mass vs organ and voice.

Destroying the faith and destroying the Church are very seperate issues.

Now somewhere , quite crucial a passage, in Mark, Jesus says a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself it can’t stand.

We are the Body of the Church. In Corinthians , it is discussed if one part suffers, all suffers, if one part is honoured, all parts rejoice. We are the Body of Christ, we are all members.

Yes this is the internet, it’s a great way for society to illustrate, unwittingly, in a very modern way, the underlying vibe.

We are fracturing our faith, our body, from within.
We are the Mystical Body of Christ.
 
I hear ya Rose…

It’s been my experience that the harder one tries to stand up for the truth, the louder people want to shout us down. Because everyone thinks their own version of the truth is the ONE truth. They don’t even realize they have already spun it into something less.

Sometimes I just have say forget it. I’ve had discussions with folks who can disagree and not hate. Pretty nice experience. It elevates. It’s promotes deeper thought.
But I’d had plenty that would fight me to the grave because I’m sooooooooooo wrong.
Sometimes you just gotta dust your sandals off.
Students who won’t listen to teachers.
Non-musicians who would tell the musicians what to do.
Non ordained lecturing the ordained.
Self proclaimed liturgists.
People who want to live in an unchanging world. That would be the NEXT one. 🙂
It runs the gamut.

But hey, that’s what makes an online forum. I belong to a Catholic forum where all the members are friends of one another, fairly well educated in the faith and reasonable.
It’s not really that interesting. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

In some ways, in order to have something to talk about, you kinda need the crazy.:whacky:

Sometimes you just gotta walk away. I do jigsaw puzzles or bring work home from the parish. Frequent Adoration is the best fix if available.

But…CAF will change dramatically in a few days.

It will either be fantastic or a mess.
In either case, just remain positive and know that the Lord has it all under control.
I know I don’t always understand why things happen. But they always happen for a reason.

Peace to you Rose.
 
It’s always a rocky downslope when we start pointing out grammar and punctuation. It then behoves us to perfection. There but for the Grace of God go I.
That pesky spell/ grammar check failed your post as well I see. The most annoying thing I find is the spell check keeps stealing the u from various words I type. Humour , spellcheck style.

But we digress!

So what’s your stance on the same arrangement by our good friend Handel , performed with clapsticks and didge?
Not in Mass, my dear, at Christmas time. Christmas Carol events, special events when a professional is on hand to really crank out the pipes.
But the same can be said for guitar and Tamborine in Mass vs organ and voice.

Destroying the faith and destroying the Church are very seperate issues.

Now somewhere , quite crucial a passage, in Mark, Jesus says a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself it can’t stand.

We are the Body of the Church. In Corinthians , it is discussed if one part suffers, all suffers, if one part is honoured, all parts rejoice. We are the Body of Christ, we are all members.

Yes this is the internet, it’s a great way for society to illustrate, unwittingly, in a very modern way, the underlying vibe.

We are fracturing our faith, our body, from within.
Behooves
 
Lovely little implosion going on from within…
SIN is what is damaging. It’s not as if we were not warned. 🤷
Father Lombardi: Thank you, and now come to Fatima, in some way the culmination, even spiritually, of this visit.** Your Holiness, what meaning do the Fatima apparitions have for us today**? In June 2000, when you presented the text of the third secret in the Vatican Press Office, a number of us and our former colleagues were present. You were asked if the message could be extended, beyond the attack on John Paul II, to other sufferings on the part of the Popes. Is it possible, to your mind, to include in that vision the sufferings of the Church today for the sins involving the sexual abuse of minors?
Holy Father: Before all else, I want to say how happy I am to be going to Fatima, to pray before Our Lady of Fatima. For us, Fatima is a sign of the presence of faith, of the fact that it is precisely from the little ones that faith gains new strength, one which is not limited to the little ones but has a message for the entire world and touches history here and now, and sheds light on this history. In 2000, in my presentation, I said that an apparition – a supernatural impulse which does not come purely from a person’s imagination but really from the Virgin Mary, from the supernatural – that such an impulse enters into a subject and is expressed according to the capacities of that subject. The subject is determined by his or her historical, personal, temperamental conditions, and so translates the great supernatural impulse into his or her own capabilities for seeing, imagining, expressing; yet these expressions, shaped by the subject, conceal a content which is greater, which goes deeper, and only in the course of history can we see the full depth, which was – let us say - “clothed” in this vision that was accessible to specific individuals. Consequently, I would say that, here too, beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in the first place refer to Pope John Paul II, an indication is given of realities involving the future of the Church, which are gradually taking shape and becoming evident. So it is true that, in addition to moment indicated in the vision, there is mention of, there is seen, the need for a passion of the Church, which naturally is reflected in the person of the Pope, yet the Pope stands for the Church and thus it is sufferings of the Church that are announced. The Lord told us that the Church would constantly be suffering, in different ways, until the end of the world. The important thing is that the message, the response of Fatima, in substance is not directed to particular devotions, but precisely to the fundamental response, that is, to ongoing conversion, penance, prayer, and the three theological virtues: faith, hope and charity. Thus we see here the true, fundamental response which the Church must give – which we, every one of us, must give in this situation. ** As for the new things which we can find in this message today, there is also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church come not only from without, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from the sin existing within the Church**. This too is something that we have always known, but today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church, and that the Church thus has a deep need to relearn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness on the one hand, but also the need for justice. Forgiveness does not replace justice. In a word, we need to relearn precisely this essential: conversion, prayer, penance and the theological virtues. This is our response, we are realists in expecting that evil always attacks, attacks from within and without, yet that the forces of good are also ever present and that, in the end, the Lord is more powerful than evil and Our Lady is for us the visible, motherly guarantee of God’s goodness, which is always the last word in history.
 
I’m going to be the counter-point here and say that some of these disagreements are a good thing. I think it was our Holy Father himself who said (something along the lines of): it is better to air things out and get them into the open. Obviously we can all be more charitable in the way we approach arguments, but simply having these arguments is not necessarily a bad thing… if people feel a certain way it is good for them to vocalize it.

Plus it has given me the chance to see that people don’t always fit into the stereotypes and caricatures I create for them. That has been a humbling experience.
 
I haven’t yet learnt to multi quote, and won’t , before the mass Caf Migration this Sprng! It’s Sunday the 27th. 4 days till winter ends. We go in search of melted slushy tundra and rich grazing of likes.

All good points raised. It’s not just on CAF. The theme runs through even a Parish like mine, where a united front is going to be a must in the current climate.

Yes we are human with differing opinions and likes. Perhaps solidarity and tolerance within are better reflected without.

NonTimendum there was a very early Church Patriach and Saint who learnt all he could of opposite ideology in order to better counter it. He lived in quite violent days in Egypt.

1neophyte good sturdy migration hooves.

Peace Clare, are you migrating?

Granny it’s quite awesome we are all one body.

'Tis bear its tempting to crochet bomb Christian themes onto trees!

M-dent sin fractures, people unite. Pick each other back up and get on with it

Yes Winter is coming to you folks.

May God bless us on our journey home
 
I love the quote but substitute people with Jesus unites and we have a winner. 🙂
We pray fo Jesus to unite🙏 But He needs our cooperation.

Winter is leaving the building. I am happy for warmer weather, but not happy about the snakes.
 
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