We are getting killed in the press

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CBS News. Unbelievable. First story of the night. It’s hard for me to defend the Church anymore. :mad::mad::mad:
 
This is so frustrating. I turn on the news and two channels are trying to vilify the Church and the Pope. Its practically slander. Pray for the Church and our Holy Father, as well as the victims and the souls of the perpetrators.
 
This is so frustrating. It’s just so annoying that the mainstream media is attacking the Catholic Church and yet all the abuse in other religions and non-religion, and other Christian denominations is completely being sidetracked, hardly without a mention! And I’m concerned that people are being in taken in my these virulent attacks, without doing the research for themselves. I think the news story you are referring must of been the Wisconsin case. Well I posted an article from Damian Thompson showing the stitch up, the Pope is being targeted. You should read it.

I’m concerned that ‘‘cafeteria’’ Catholics or Catholics who are not strong in their faith, or those that are considering converting to Catholicism now won’t, or may leave the Church because of these scandals.

I think the Pope should organize a press conference or something to answer these claims directly. As soon as possible.

We need to move on. We need closure from these scandals from decades ago. The victims need closure also.
 
Read Matthew 10.38-39; 11.28-30.

One in 12 men were bad… but the Church is good
 
Yep, I know what you mean. I turn on CTV, and then out of no-where “after letter of apology from Pope, investigations into Catholic church ___ abuse cases of boysgo as far as the Pope himeslf”, I am going to go crazy the next time I hear such nonsense!
 
lemonbeam said:
We need to move on. We need closure from these scandals from decades ago. The victims need closure also.
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We will not have closure…the media will not allow it, nor will Satan…so we should make the best of it. Do not deny that it happend, Do not say it won’t happen again, as Satan will make sure it does, but show kindness and Charity and SUPPORT our Priests…
 
jay29 said:
CBS News. Unbelievable. First story of the night. It’s hard for me to defend the Church anymore. :mad::mad::mad:
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you dont need to. just be faithful to her. can you suffer in silence?

the enemies of the Church are friends.
 
jay29 said:
CBS News. Unbelievable. :
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I’m not sure… is this the news segment you are referring to?
cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6333595n

For those not interested in watching a video, here is written article (not a transcript.)
The Vatican on Thursday strongly defended its decision not to defrock an American priest accused of molesting some 200 deaf boys in Wisconsin and denounced what it called a campaign to smear Pope Benedict XVI and his aides.
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Church and Vatican documents showed that in the mid-1990s, two Wisconsin bishops urged the Vatican office led by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger - now the pope - to let them hold a church trial against the Rev. Lawrence Murphy. The bishops admitted the trial was coming years after the alleged abuse, but argued that the deaf community in Milwaukee was demanding justice from the church.
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Despite the extensive and grave allegations against Murphy, Ratzinger’s deputy at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ruled that the alleged molestation had occurred too long ago and that Murphy - then ailing and elderly - should instead repent and be restricted from celebrating Mass outside of his diocese.
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cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/25/national/main6333250.shtml?tag=stack
 
we? not me. I have done nothing wrong.

Any priest or any employee of any church organization who perpretrated such crimes deserves villification at the very least. Any bishop of any level who knew about it and covered it up deserves to have that labelled for what it is, negligence of the worst kind. The cover up is always worse than the crime, and the fall-out when it is discovered, as inevitably happens is correspondingly worse than the reaction to the original crime.

Yes the tar on the brush falls on everyone, but those who are innocent need worry only about God’s judgment.

I am so sick of hearing, as I have ever since I got a paid job serving the church, everytime such a story breaks locally “oh yes, we suspected something, or everybody knew about it, or it was openly acknowledged what went on there.” My standard reply is that anyone who suspected or always knew, or acknowledged is an accessory after the fact and deserves treatment from the law as the same.

I am also tired of reporters and other commentators who lament that the Church did not discover and punish perpetrators fail to cite the fact that in many if not most of these cases local law enforcement was equally lax and incompetent when matters were reported, and that astonishingly until the 90s or even later such abuses were not even considered criminal acts.

the third thing that galls me is lamenting that a given priest was not defrocked. That is a disciplinary measure that is taken at the discretion of the Vatican and only when there is a reason for it, and reason to think it will prevent further infractions. It also usually means that after that man is laicized the Vatican, his diocese or his order now have no way to keep track of him. That was the case for instance with a notorious priest in Mass. who was defrocked, whose crimes were reported in the 70s and 80s before the church found out and enacted the ultimate discipline. The Church was criticized when it became public in the 90s that as a lay person (living with a gay lover) he was arrested for crimes against chldren (the law had never acted in the earlier allegations although the diocese had paid out claims and removed him from ministry). Because the man had been laicized the Church had no way of knowing where he was, and the criticism was vociferous at the time because of it. You can’t have it both ways.
 
No one seems to be dealing with the relevant questions"
  1. Are the reports accurate?
  2. If the reports are accurate, is the Church making the proper response?
Let’s be responsible here. Children and Church standing are the victims.
 
Jacob21 said:
This is so frustrating. I turn on the news and two channels are trying to vilify the Church and the Pope. Its practically slander. Pray for the Church and our Holy Father, as well as the victims and the souls of the perpetrators.
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I hear you…
The slander to our beloved Pope Benedict and Church is sickening. Pray it all stops or at least that we endure the affliction.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
No one seems to be dealing with the relevant questions"
  1. Are the reports accurate?
  2. If the reports are accurate, is the Church making the proper response?
Let’s be responsible here. Children and Church standing are the victims.
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What Beau, said.😉
 
Christ said–"if they persecute Me they will persecute you"we need more faithful to pray
especially the rosary–Persecution is not new-they cannot attact Doctrine or Catholic truths–so they go after the weakness of men. our power and strength is in our prayers.
 
NBC hammered the CC pretty heavy…I’m more shocked at all the teachers that are falling…I can see the enemy focusing on Christianity…Another issue is reaping what has been sowed in the past…I thing what really gets it burning is the re locations and the covering up even to the highest levels…HK
 
puzzleannie said:
we? not me. I have done nothing wrong.

Any priest or any employee of any church organization who perpretrated such crimes deserves villification at the very least. Any bishop of any level who knew about it and covered it up deserves to have that labelled for what it is, negligence of the worst kind. The cover up is always worse than the crime, and the fall-out when it is discovered, as inevitably happens is correspondingly worse than the reaction to the original crime.

Yes the tar on the brush falls on everyone, but those who are innocent need worry only about God’s judgment.

I am so sick of hearing, as I have ever since I got a paid job serving the church, everytime such a story breaks locally “oh yes, we suspected something, or everybody knew about it, or it was openly acknowledged what went on there.” My standard reply is that anyone who suspected or always knew, or acknowledged is an accessory after the fact and deserves treatment from the law as the same.

I am also tired of reporters and other commentators who lament that the Church did not discover and punish perpetrators fail to cite the fact that in many if not most of these cases local law enforcement was equally lax and incompetent when matters were reported, and that astonishingly until the 90s or even later such abuses were not even considered criminal acts.

the third thing that galls me is lamenting that a given priest was not defrocked. That is a disciplinary measure that is taken at the discretion of the Vatican and only when there is a reason for it, and reason to think it will prevent further infractions. It also usually means that after that man is laicized the Vatican, his diocese or his order now have no way to keep track of him. That was the case for instance with a notorious priest in Mass. who was defrocked, whose crimes were reported in the 70s and 80s before the church found out and enacted the ultimate discipline. The Church was criticized when it became public in the 90s that as a lay person (living with a gay lover) he was arrested for crimes against chldren (the law had never acted in the earlier allegations although the diocese had paid out claims and removed him from ministry). Because the man had been laicized the Church had no way of knowing where he was, and the criticism was vociferous at the time because of it. You can’t have it both ways.
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Your response is concise and accurate. I couldn’t have put those words out that well.

So does the evening news vilify President Obama for all the big and little ills in our country? Does any one here have mind to or time to start listing all the problems in the US population?
The secular media has always made it their job to try and demonize the Church.
Get it?
I don’t give time or credence to the evening news anymore.

Anyway - again - The slander to our beloved Pope Benedict and Church is sickening. Pray it all stops or at least that we endure the affliction.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
No one seems to be dealing with the relevant questions"
  1. Are the reports accurate?
  2. If the reports are accurate, is the Church making the proper response?
Let’s be responsible here. Children and Church standing are the victims.
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I agree. If the claims against the leaders of our Church are true and there was a cover-up, then they deserve the same treatment as if a highschool principle had protected a child molester and allowed him to remain working with children.

I get tired of Catholics always blaming the biased media whenever our institutions or leaders are criticized. Instead we should welcome the spotlight so that the sins of our leaders will be brought to light. What is worst is when these crimes are excused by those who argue that the rates of abuse were no worst than for other denominations. Sorry, I had thought that I was supposed to expect more from those administering the Church.
 
Beautiful said:
So does the evening news vilify President Obama for all the big and little ills in our country? Does any one here have mind to or time to start listing all the problems in the US population?
The secular media has always made it their job to try and demonize the Church.
Get it?
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I remember Obama being criticized for putting his feet on the desk at the Oval Office, for not wearing a lapel pin, etc. So I think the answer to that is yes.
 
csuliman said:
I remember Obama being criticized for putting his feet on the desk at the Oval Office, for not wearing a lapel pin, etc. So I think the answer to that is yes.
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Come on…get with it. You know what I mean.
Just to start with………
Where is concrete evidence Obama’s US citizenship?
That sorta’ got swept under the rug.
 
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