"We fly to your patronage"

[rciadan]

Whcih of these two prayers came first: “We fly to your patronage” or “the Memorarie”?

 

[Vico]

Whcih of these two prayers came first: “We fly to your patronage” or “the Memorarie”?

Sub Tuum Praesidium (Under thy protection) is from the third century. Sub Tuum Praesidium is the Latin for the original Greek.

Ὑπὸ τὴν σὴν εὐσπλαγχνίαν,καταφεύγομεν, Θεοτόκε.
Τὰς ἡμῶν ἱκεσίας,μὴ παρίδῃς ἐν περιστάσει,
ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ κινδύνων λύτρωσαι ἡμᾶς,μόνη Ἁγνή, μόνη εὐλογημένη.

Sub tuum praesidiumconfugimus,Sancta Dei Genetrix.
Nostras deprecationes ne despiciasin necessitatibus nostris,
sed a periculis cunctislibera nos semper, Virgo gloriosa et benedicta

The Marists translate it into English as:

We fly to your protection, O Holy Mother of God;
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us from all dangers, O glorious and blessed Virgin.

maristlaitynz.org/index.php?URL=TO-Weflytoyourprotection&j=50&orderingby=date

 

[edward_george]

“We fly to your patronage,” or, more commonly, “Sub tuum praesidium,” dates to around the 3rd century, and the Memorare is thought to be from about the 15th century.

-ACEGC

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Dan - do I recall that you occasionally attend Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine Catholic [Ruthenian] Church? If so, you will find the chanted form of this ancient prayer, according to Byzantine usage, on page 454 of the green peoples’ book (as “Beneath Your Compassion”).

 

[rciadan]

Dan - do I recall that you occasionally attend Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine Catholic [Ruthenian] Church? If so, you will find the chanted form of this ancient prayer, according to Byzantine usage, on page 454 of the green peoples’ book (as “Beneath Your Compassion”).

I now attend Divine Liturgy every Sunday, and on Saturdays when possible. I have become a registered parishioner at Sts. Cyril and Methodius here in Florida, and am planning to eventually formally change Rites in about two or three years.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

I now attend Divine Liturgy every Sunday, and on Saturdays when possible. I have become a registered parishioner at Sts. Cyril and Methodius here in Florida, and am planning to eventually formally change Rites in about two or three years.

Ah! Fr. Sopoliga’s parish - very nice!

 

[Vico]

I now attend Divine Liturgy every Sunday, and on Saturdays when possible. I have become a registered parishioner at Sts. Cyril and Methodius here in Florida, and am planning to eventually formally change Rites in about two or three years.

We have had the following Byzantine canonical enrollments in our parish:

1. 
   *]Unbaptized Christian initiation
   *]Change of ritual church to Byzantine because the spouse is Byzantine
   *]Profession of faith from non-Catholic with change of ritual church, followed by Chrismation
   *]Latin Catholic change of ritual Church to Byzantine Catholic
   
   The easiest is 1 and 2.
   I don’t remember any Orthodox conversions, but in that case there may or may not be a change of ritual church required, and Chrismation is not done if already done.

 

[Aramis]

In the last few years, in Anchorage, there have been a couple transfers from the Roman rite, a couple professions with change of enrollment followed by completion of Chrismation, and we have an orthodox or two who attend regularly.

The Orthodox parishioners I’m thinking of generally do not receive outside Nativity and Pascha…

 

[LilyM]

“We fly to your patronage,” or, more commonly, “Sub tuum praesidium,” dates to around the 3rd century, and the Memorare is thought to be from about the 15th century.

-ACEGC

The Memorare is frequently attributed to St Bernard of Clairvaux which would make it 12th Century if memory serves. I know wikipedia says otherwise, but I’m not sure of any other sources which do.

Either way Sub Tuum Praesidium well and truly is the earlier.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Right, the Memorare is very special, actual history is somewhat difficult.

The Antiphons play an important role in the Liturgy of the Hours.

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