We Have failed the church

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I do not deny that there was once a large amount of corruption in the catholic church. Perhaps, at one point, at the height of simony, papal scandals, and abuse of clerical power for political purposes, there may have been a time when the church failed mankind.
But in this day and age, where people care more about fashion and money than worshiping god, this is in no way the case. We live in a world where sex outside of marriage and ridiculous consumerism are in vogue, whereas being devoted to your faith is seen as “backwards” and “stuck in medieval superstitions.” In fact, the only possible conclusion you can draw from observing our society, with it’s epicurean, materialistic, atheist-driven consumer culture is that mankind has unequivocally failed the church. As painful as it is to admit, it seems we have utterly lost contact with God. Pray that one day, this will change, and the world will come to know its creator and savior once more
 
Sadly you are right. There are devout Catholics. Maybe not many.
 
I do not deny that there was once a large amount of corruption in the catholic church. Perhaps, at one point, at the height of simony, papal scandals, and abuse of clerical power for political purposes, there may have been a time when the church failed mankind.
But in this day and age, where people care more about fashion and money than worshiping god, this is in no way the case. We live in a world where sex outside of marriage and ridiculous consumerism are in vogue, whereas being devoted to your faith is seen as “backwards” and “stuck in medieval superstitions.” In fact, the only possible conclusion you can draw from observing our society, with it’s epicurean, materialistic, atheist-driven consumer culture is that mankind has unequivocally failed the church. As painful as it is to admit, it seems we have utterly lost contact with God. Pray that one day, this will change, and the world will come to know its creator and savior once more
mankind was not made for the Church; the Church was made for mankind. The Church exists to minister to our failings.
As Pope Francis said, “I see the church as a field hospital after battle.”
 
mankind was not made for the Church; the Church was made for mankind. The Church exists to minister to our failings.
As Pope Francis said, “I see the church as a field hospital after battle.”
exactly
 
DeusExMachina wrote:
I do not deny that there was once a large amount of corruption in the catholic church. Perhaps, at one point, at the height of simony, papal scandals, and abuse of clerical power for political purposes, there may have been a time when the church failed mankind.<<
Thanks be to God, even when scandals occur there are still saints in the making in the Church at the same time. Thanks be to God that our Lord Jesus Christ never leaves us or fails us.
 
I hear ya. I thought the same way years ago. I wanted the big fancy car, house, 6 figure salary, etc. I was, and still am in many ways, ashamed of myself. When I think about what Jesus did for us and I how I took it for granted, it makes me sick. All I can do is try to be what God intended for me to be. I hope all those who are “of the world” will turn their hearts toward God.
 
I hear ya. I thought the same way years ago. I wanted the big fancy car, house, 6 figure salary, etc. I was, and still am in many ways, ashamed of myself. When I think about what Jesus did for us and I how I took it for granted, it makes me sick. All I can do is try to be what God intended for me to be. I hope all those who are “of the world” will turn their hearts toward God.
Well, you certainly turned your heart to God! Thank you for sharing. The Lord rejoices and we rejoice with you.
 
Cafeteria catholicism also seems to be a HUGE contributing factor… that and poorly catechized catholics
 
Cafeteria catholicism also seems to be a HUGE contributing factor… that and poorly catechized catholics
That is so true! And that is where we need to pray much, roll up our sleeves and get to work with the help of the Holy Spirit.
 
Yep, and the greater our pain from living in this world, the more we see or admit to our need for healing. As it is we’re pretty spoiled now-which leads to denial. If we have a major upset in our economy or our state of peace, that could all change quickly for the masses.
 
mankind was not made for the Church; the Church was made for mankind. The Church exists to minister to our failings.
As Pope Francis said, “I see the church as a field hospital after battle.”
I disagree with that declaration of yours. It falsely distinguishes between mankind and the Church. You might as well claim that the family was made for people, because ultimately the Church and the family are very closely related concepts. The church can’t be properly concieved of apart from men.

Regarding the subject of the thread, I tend to think we have weak leadership within the Church because we are weak people who have been unfaithful. If We Catholics were more faithful we might have better leaders.
 
Yes the Church has done all those things.

For myself, finally I have come to peace with the fact that she has, and with the fact that she continues despite still not having really corrected some of the mindsets, and even some of the behavior.

The Church has two things to do in my estimation: a) feed the sheep of the current generation, and b) preserve the story and tradition for future generations.

As an institution I think she does really well at b) but doesn’t do nearly as well for a) because the vast majority of practicing Catholics I know, have no idea about the really deep transformational aspects of our faith for one thing, but remain stuck in “the first half” of spiritual life as one spiritual director calls it, where it is about “cheap behavior contests and an evacuation plan for the next world.”

But she has carried forward the Eucharist and the story, and preserved it at great peril. So here almost 2000 years later we have access to some of the original data they had in the first century when the books were written. So regardless of how many have gazillions may have served the Church and given her their lives to preserve her on earth, but never actually received the miracle because as Jesus said, few will take the narrow path, they have kept the Word intact. So regardless of the past, she has preserved and developed all the resources we need to find our own individual Narrow Paths to Divine Union.

With St John of the Cross just being promoted to Doctor in 1926, I’m hoping to see mysticism take its rightful place alongside Thomistic asceticism and in a great time in this information age, where the religious we don’t see (monasteries and cloisters for example) and are more and more coming out with teachings on the spiritual journey.

When Jesus said that the Sabbath was not made for man, but man for the Sabbath, to me that puts the onus more on the Church to motivate and teach “solid” spiritual food rather than “milk” as St. Paul puts it.

Today for example, avid Catholics seem to think that to be a good Catholic, they have to be very loud politically and cast their judgments upon others’ evil. Plus they see all the terrible things in the world and live in constant anxiety. This is not what Jesus taught, but this has been an effect that the Church has had on her people in previous generations. My mother was angry at God her whole life, for example, for their insistence that all her little Protestant friends would surely go to hell if they did not convert. Bad teaching? Yes. But that thinking was more the rule than the exception. So yes she was “perfectly Catholic” and supported the Church with time, talent, and treasure, but to her it was a social club.

Today we don’t need new ways to socialize, as much as something deep that cuts below the surface and into the human psyche. To learn how to see the world in a kingdom way, where the one who serves truly is the greatest, and where the least respectable members of the body are offered special dignity, and Jesus and St. Paul talked about, respectively.

And we are losing to weird touchy-feely spiritual-ish movements and New Age and even eastern religions, because we as a whole have failed to incorporate the inner teachings of Jesus, but have instead focused almost entirely on outward behavior. Outward behavior is great, and the Church has done marvelous things to help people in need, but the inner transformation is what will catch it on fire and go blazing into future generations. If you see this, then you know it is already in the works.
 
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