This sounds like a Protestant thing. Leaving aside the once saved always saved misguided folks, many Protestants believe that even after death an unrepentant sinner (before death) will get another chance to be saved after they die.The moment we die, we would meet Jesus who would show us His life; from the birth to the death (as there’s no time anymore so we would be able to see everything at once) and he would ask whether we want to trust Him.
Has anyone heard this before? or is there any books that explain it?
Thanks
Hi,This sounds like a Protestant thing. Leaving aside the once saved always saved misguided folks, many Protestants believe that even after death an unrepentant sinner (before death) will get another chance to be saved after they die.
I fully agree with the Church’s teachings.#1021 of the CCC is pretty clear that immediately upon death we are judged at our Particular Judgment, based on our works and faith. So there is no chance to repent after death.
Certainly seen that one.However Protestants don’t. Generally the so-called mainstream Protestants believe in one of three things:
Once saved always saved
Never seen these two, and both have been argued against in many of the Protestant Churches I attended before I was Catholic.or
Jesus will weigh their good deeds against their bad deeds and if the good outweighs the bad then they are saved
or
Jesus will give them a last chance (after death) to accept or reject him.
Why is there a burden of proof? Protestants have actually told me that on more than one occasion… Are you saying I’m lying? Should I have recorded the conversation and sent you the tape??Certainly seen that one.
Never seen these two, and both have been argued against in many of the Protestant Churches I attended before I was Catholic.
You’ll find Protestant annihilationists, but I’ve never seen Protestant "salvation by works"ists or Protestant "repentance after death"ists.
I think there’s a burden of proof you’re not meeting in order to make those assertions.
Jeremy
Wouldn’t it be nice to believe you would go to heaven no questions asked?This sounds like a Protestant thing. Leaving aside the once saved always saved misguided folks, many Protestants believe that even after death an unrepentant sinner (before death) will get another chance to be saved after they die.
Catholics have certainly told Protestants some real boners as well; certainly it would be inaccurate to say, for instance, that Catholics “worship mary” because of wrong statements made by some Catholics.Why is there a burden of proof? Protestants have actually told me that on more than one occasion… Are you saying I’m lying? Should I have recorded the conversation and sent you the tape??
Get off your high horse and stop being so arrogant!!Catholics have certainly told Protestants some real boners as well; certainly it would be inaccurate to say, for instance, that Catholics “worship mary” because of wrong statements made by some Catholics.
Find me some churches that officially hold these believes. I’ve never, not a single time, read these beliefs in the statements of faith I’ve read. It’s not a Baptist belief, it’s not a Presbyterian belief, it’s not a Lutheran belief, it’s not a Methodist belief, it’s not been a belief of any of the various evangelical/non-denominational churches I’ve attended. I have never seen these beliefs as characteristic of any Protestant group I’ve seen or heard of
Your accusation is no better than the accusations of Protestants against Catholics saying that because a very small number of individual Catholics might make some claim, it’s thereby something that “Catholics believe.”
Jeremy
According to Sister Faustina Jesus said to her (among many many other things) “encourage souls to say the Chaplet (of the Divine Mercy) which I have given you…Whoever will recite it will receive great mercy at the hour of death (not after death)…When they say this chaplet in the presence of the dying, I will stand between My Father and the dying person, not as the Judge but as the Merciful Saviour…Priests will recommend it to sinners as their last hope of salvation. Even if there were a sinner most hardened, if he were to recite this chaplet only once, he would receive grace from My infinite Mercy… I desire to grant unimaginable graces to those souls who trust in My Mercy…through this Chaplet you will obtain everything, if what you ask is compatible with My will…”Actually, a priest once told a class that St. Faustina said something like that…that we would be given an opportunity to choose God and then at least make it to purgatory. I don’t know. Does anyone else know of anything like that that she may have said?
It has nothing to do with arrogance; it has to do with you applying the same wrong tactics to Protestant that are often applied to us. You cannot use the statements of a few misled Protestants to personify them all.Get off your high horse and stop being so arrogant!!
That’s the Divine Mercy as told by Jesus to Sister Faustina.I have heard ( can’t remember where), that as part of God’s mercy, immediately before we die - as we are in the final stage of death - Gpd may give us one last chance to repent and accept Him. We dont’ know for sure, but it’s possible.
Wish I could remember who told me this and where they heard it.
Hello Jeremy,Catholics have certainly told Protestants some real boners as well; certainly it would be inaccurate to say, for instance, that Catholics “worship mary” because of wrong statements made by some Catholics.
Find me some churches that officially hold these believes. I’ve never, not a single time, read these beliefs in the statements of faith I’ve read. It’s not a Baptist belief, it’s not a Presbyterian belief, it’s not a Lutheran belief, it’s not a Methodist belief, it’s not been a belief of any of the various evangelical/non-denominational churches I’ve attended. I have never seen these beliefs as characteristic of any Protestant group I’ve seen or heard of
Your accusation is no better than the accusations of Protestants against Catholics saying that because a very small number of individual Catholics might make some claim, it’s thereby something that “Catholics believe.”
Jeremy
But that’s not what thistle said. He said, “Generally the so-called mainstream Protestants believe in one of three things.” I agreed that you can find many mainstream Protestants who believe in the first doctrine he mentioned (once saved, always saved), but the latter two doctrines are not only very uncommonly believed, but specifically denied by many of the statements of faith of mainstream congregations.I think that the fact that Protestants do not have a main spiritual leader means that you have to judge each Protestant believes based on his own individual thought process.
It means that, effectively, but Protestants within mainstream denominations are generally in those denominations because they hold to the statement of faith of that denomination, and insofar as that’s the case, those statements of faith are more accurate than the beliefs of any small group of Protestants that thistle has talked to.That means that each Protestant is his own Pope.
Yes, you can, but you can’t say “Generally the so-called mainstream Protestants believe in one of these three things,” when the first thing is not believed by most mainstream Protestants, and the second and third things are rarely believed by any Protestants and explicitly denied by the churches they attend.So, yes, you can say that some Protestants hold this or that particular theological belief.
Thank you!That’s the Divine Mercy as told by Jesus to Sister Faustina.