We must never say: “God can not” (what so ever)

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So often we hear: God can not other but love”. But God can. Jesus warned of condemnation, which is done in God’s wrath. Match Eze 25:17 I will exact great vengeance upon them with angry rebukes. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I exact my vengeance upon them.’” Isa 61:2 - Nah 1:2 - Eze 16:23 - and even St. Paul
in Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
So it’s obvious: God can also be angry and condemn.

How dare we humans to say “God can not” when we know, that nothing is impossible to God in Luke 1,37.
But then again we hear: God can’t change history. Of course He can, as there is nothing impossible to God: If or rather when God changed history, we’d never know. If we would know, we had two histories and a reason to quarrel which is the right one.

But still; take especially for changing history and earthly natural laws; Josua 10,12/13 …The sun stood motionless in the middle of the sky and did not set for about a full day.

God did a lot of things absolutely impossible to human logic; such as letting water burst out of a dry rock in Exodus 17:5-7, or let food fall off heavens (mana in Exodus 16,22-26 - which Jesus referred to as the bread from heaven in John 6,30–35). This has nothing to do with false interpretation as often claimed. It’s not just biblical stories, but God’s working and operations happen today all the same as ever.

Things absolutely impossible on earth, like >where God changed history< are done in divine dimensions with heavens knowing only, and we will see when we are there. Then we’ll say - "how true - why didn’t I even realize“.

We often hear: …where is the natural background with the feeding of 5000 with five loaves and two fish - plus 12 baskets of leftovers ?

The word CAN does not exist in connection with God; nor ABILITY, for all capabilities are man-bound, earth-bound, same as logic. Logic is given by God together with natural laws such as gravity. Though natural laws as impossibilities don’t mean a thing to the Creator of all there is - including time and space.

If God says: “This never happened, never was, never took place”, then this is so and that’s that! It indeed then never happened, and wouldn’t ever come to anyone’s, even Angel’s mind. It then really was not, never took place! No-one but God would know. Our material, „logic“ way of thinking, is way too limited to ever fathom God’s being, thinking and actions? We won’t be able to even in heaven; so how should we on earth!

There are many languages among mankind - many ways of thinking, thousands of doctrines - all of them just partly right; all except of God’s one and only, unchangeable doctrine of love - clarified by Jesus Christ. Still - even the sharpest spirit with the best expression and wording will never open the appreciation and understanding of biblical words meaning, if the Holy Spirit doesn’t give us the key for it. We’ll never receive this ability, if we deny God’s being. Real understanding as far as we are allowed to comprehend, is given to reborn Christians only. 1 Peter 1,23: You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.

It’s this that makes the joy of Christianity, Christian belief, sureness and safety. Therefore we must never say "GOD CAN NOT“.

Let me wish you a very happy Christmas. Christmas to us since our son Björn died, is anyhow "just“ a very holy holiday with intensive thanksgiving to the coming of God - of Christ for our salvation. This “just” though means more - not less than before. We very much wonder how these former humans who are now in heaven, celebrate Christmas…

Same goes to Easter and Whitsun. I should think that both feasts got same rank. Probably Christmas a bit more, for it was anyhow self-evident, that Jesus Christ would raise and resurrect after His human death. Raise and resurrect as still fully human and fully God. It would have been absolutely impossible not to!

It’s not too astonishing, that the apostles where surprised that Jesus did resurrect the third day, as He had predicted, for they where not yet filled with the Holy Spirit. Even the sharpest mind with the best expression and wording will never find the appreciation and understanding of the words meaning, if the Holy Spirit doesn’t give us the key for it“. Christ though send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles and to His Church on Whitsun (Pentecost). Ever since the Holy Spirit is available for us - if we ask God’s Spirit to be with us.

Still; the sentence: "all human beings are equal before God“ is not 100% right. For God Himself - Jesus Christ, differs a lot - like; „he who believes will not be judged “ and „he who doesn’t believe is condemned already“. If all would be equal, it wouldn’t matter if one believes or not. It’s a world of difference between belief and disbelief. A world of difference as well in the life of the individual, as in our known or unknown divine reality of our relation to God.

Atheists will often ask the absolutely silly question: Can God create a rock too big for Himself to lift? If he can, He is not all-powerful and if He cannot, He is not all-powerful. But, this is a question which does not apply to God in the first place.

Of course this whole complex doesn’t apply to God, but since those questioners doubt God anyhow; to be able to provide a God-confirming answer, would be great. Even as it’s a ridiculously challenging arrogant question, It doesn’t help if we say „that’s a silly question“ (as I often answered), for atheists then still feel confirmed in their disbelief.
 
So often we hear: God can not other but love”. But God can. Jesus warned of condemnation, which is done in God’s wrath. Match Eze 25:17 I will exact great vengeance upon them with angry rebukes. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I exact my vengeance upon them.’” Isa 61:2 - Nah 1:2 - Eze 16:23 - and even St. Paul
in Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
So it’s obvious: God can also be angry and condemn.

How dare we humans to say “God can not” when we know, that nothing is impossible to God in Luke 1,37.
But then again we hear: God can’t change history. Of course He can, as there is nothing impossible to God: If or rather when God changed history, we’d never know. If we would know, we had two histories and a reason to quarrel which is the right one.

But still; take especially for changing history and earthly natural laws; Josua 10,12/13 …The sun stood motionless in the middle of the sky and did not set for about a full day.

God did a lot of things absolutely impossible to human logic; such as letting water burst out of a dry rock in Exodus 17:5-7, or let food fall off heavens (mana in Exodus 16,22-26 - which Jesus referred to as the bread from heaven in John 6,30–35). This has nothing to do with false interpretation as often claimed. It’s not just biblical stories, but God’s working and operations happen today all the same as ever.

Things absolutely impossible on earth, like >where God changed history< are done in divine dimensions with heavens knowing only, and we will see when we are there. Then we’ll say - "how true - why didn’t I even realize“.

We often hear: …where is the natural background with the feeding of 5000 with five loaves and two fish - plus 12 baskets of leftovers ?

The word CAN does not exist in connection with God; nor ABILITY, for all capabilities are man-bound, earth-bound, same as logic. Logic is given by God together with natural laws such as gravity. Though natural laws as impossibilities don’t mean a thing to the Creator of all there is - including time and space.

If God says: “This never happened, never was, never took place”, then this is so and that’s that! It indeed then never happened, and wouldn’t ever come to anyone’s, even Angel’s mind. It then really was not, never took place! No-one but God would know. Our material, „logic“ way of thinking, is way too limited to ever fathom God’s being, thinking and actions? We won’t be able to even in heaven; so how should we on earth!

There are many languages among mankind - many ways of thinking, thousands of doctrines - all of them just partly right; all except of God’s one and only, unchangeable doctrine of love - clarified by Jesus Christ. Still - even the sharpest spirit with the best expression and wording will never open the appreciation and understanding of biblical words meaning, if the Holy Spirit doesn’t give us the key for it. We’ll never receive this ability, if we deny God’s being. Real understanding as far as we are allowed to comprehend, is given to reborn Christians only. 1 Peter 1,23: You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and enduring word of God.

It’s this that makes the joy of Christianity, Christian belief, sureness and safety. Therefore we must never say "GOD CAN NOT“.

Let me wish you a very happy Christmas. Christmas to us since our son Björn died, is anyhow "just“ a very holy holiday with intensive thanksgiving to the coming of God - of Christ for our salvation. This “just” though means more - not less than before. We very much wonder how these former humans who are now in heaven, celebrate Christmas…

Same goes to Easter and Whitsun. I should think that both feasts got same rank. Probably Christmas a bit more, for it was anyhow self-evident, that Jesus Christ would raise and resurrect after His human death. Raise and resurrect as still fully human and fully God. It would have been absolutely impossible not to!

It’s not too astonishing, that the apostles where surprised that Jesus did resurrect the third day, as He had predicted, for they where not yet filled with the Holy Spirit. Even the sharpest mind with the best expression and wording will never find the appreciation and understanding of the words meaning, if the Holy Spirit doesn’t give us the key for it“. Christ though send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles and to His Church on Whitsun (Pentecost). Ever since the Holy Spirit is available for us - if we ask God’s Spirit to be with us.

Still; the sentence: "all human beings are equal before God“ is not 100% right. For God Himself - Jesus Christ, differs a lot - like; „he who believes will not be judged “ and „he who doesn’t believe is condemned already“. If all would be equal, it wouldn’t matter if one believes or not. It’s a world of difference between belief and disbelief. A world of difference as well in the life of the individual, as in our known or unknown divine reality of our relation to God.

Atheists will often ask the absolutely silly question: Can God create a rock too big for Himself to lift? If he can, He is not all-powerful and if He cannot, He is not all-powerful. But, this is a question which does not apply to God in the first place.

Of course this whole complex doesn’t apply to God, but since those questioners doubt God anyhow; to be able to provide a God-confirming answer, would be great. Even as it’s a ridiculously challenging arrogant question, It doesn’t help if we say „that’s a silly question“ (as I often answered), for atheists then still feel confirmed in their disbelief.
What you site as " changes " that God brings about are, in fact, not changes at all but the unfolding of the Divine Plan at a particular moment. And God does not, nor can he hate, that is an anthropomorphic projection of human traits onto God.

Pax
Linus2nd
 
I always was taught that “God can not” go against his nature.
 
Well, „changes“ where not the subject - except that I denied, that God would be unable to change (past)-history, for any unability is unimaginable with God. The referred to “changes God brings about” are another thing, and absolutely necessary and happen continuously with the help of The Holy Spirit, for instance in our Church which her name ECCLESIA SEMPER REFORMANDA indicates. We ourselves got to change all the time too - to get nearer to God and deeper into belief and away from sin.

As to “God can not go against His nature“ - that’s a very wide field of theology, for the question arises „what is God’s nature“ - if at all we are allowed to speak of „nature“ in connection with God. „Nature” was created by God and so was our nature and being, with our free will to decide for either side. God’s being however, (or “God’s Nature”) we shall NEVER fathom, neither in this life nor in our next and then real life according to God’s sentence. OK- we do know that God’s being is love, and we do know of Jesus’ Christ’s teaching, that God (Jesus Christ to whom is all power given in heaven and on earth), might very well condemn too - such as “Depart From Me I Never Knew You”… in Mt 7:21 – 23; or in in Hebrews 10,31: - It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Against one’s nature - just to match with our worldly conditions, is a thing one would never do - but could do if one would, such as molest or murder (e.g. one’s own child or mother). Such or related atrocity we simply can not do.
We are God’s children, but God can very well send us to eternal death, the second death in Revelation 21,8

Yours
Bruno
 
I was taught God is Love, and that God is Perfectly Simple.

that pretty much negates God doing anything besides acting lovingly, at least that is how I see it.

God’s just punishments are only from God in the sense that God created all things for His greater honor and glory and so His creatures are punished when they refuse to act according to their God-given nature. God does not act to punish. punishment is the human acting contrary to God’s will. since all human actions are naturally ordained to the greater honor and glory of God, actions that contravene this aspect of human creation are innately punishments chosen by human beings.

God CANNOT SIN. that is an absolute truth.
 
You say:
I was taught God is Love, and that God is Perfectly Simple.

Now GOD and „perfectly simple“ doesn’t go together. God is the never fully comprehensive nor knowable Creator of all.

You say:
that pretty much negates God doing anything besides acting lovingly, at least that is how I see it.

The wrath of God which is a fearful thing, doesn’t condemn out of love, but out of bitter disappointment.

You say:
God’s just punishments are only from God in the sense that God created all things for His greater honor and glory

God created Angels and Humans out of love to the unborn - to share with them His Kingdom. Let’s forget any „selfish“ sounding other suggestions.

You say:
and so His creatures are punished when they refuse to act according to their God-given nature.

Limited punishment can be done out of love, to bring the beloved punished back to reason and insight. Eternal punishment is not done out of love, but out of righteousness.

You say:
……God CANNOT SIN. that is an absolute truth.

That’s like saying: I can not murder my child or mother. Let’s try to avoid suchlike statements.
But ok, I will stay off this topic now, let’s continue when we meet in heaven.

Yours
Bruno
 
Paragraph 43 - IV. How Can We Speak about God?
… is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God
himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. …


the above is taken from the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.

I guess we could quibble about whether “perfectly simple” is the same thing as “His infinite simplicity”.

but, God is Pure Act. there is no “potential” in God.

God is One. that Oneness is not symbolized by either wrath or punishment. it is best symbolized by Love.

God’s creation is purely and wholly Love. when God created, it was NEVER His intention to create wrath, punishment, sin or evil. those are entirely the results of angelic and human actions.
 
We cannot say “God can not…” because God is omnipotent.

However, we CAN say God WILL not go against His will.
 
In a private mail someone wrote (Cites in blue):

While I guess much could be said, let me just point out that since God knows everything - there is no need to change anything (as if the ending or process is not what He wanted in the first place so He has a ‘do-over’ to ‘get it right’ the second (or more times).

Oh, on earth we humans mess a lot up God though knows, but doesn’t stop us to. God didn’t even stop monsters like Hitler, Stalin, Pol-Pot, Idi Amin and a lot more. Who knows if God did change history in other events which happened, but then never happened?

*Miracles are God’s intervention into history - like Jesus curing the sick, multiplying loaves and fishes, and raising the dead. None of these things would have happened on their own in the natural course of events.
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Of course so. But these things happened or occurred with thousands of witnesses The Synoptics agree with the number of 5000 men (without the women and children) all being fed with but 5 loaves. Surprising, that this and a lot more miracles Jesus accomplished, didn’t bring forward masses of witnesses for the defence of Christ in His trial.
But instead, in our today’s thoughtless world, Jesus’ miracles mainly His walking on water, became subject for many terribly silly jokes.

But to say ‘change’, using the context you have provided means ……

Yes. I meant something that really happened, but God mad it not have happened. Why by all means should this be „impossible“ to God, as “What is impossible for mere humans, is possible for God.” Lk 18,27

*……To work the idea that history ‘was changed’ as we keep with this test analogy - it would be as though the entire events of the first test were suddenly erased and the next test is the one that is now known.
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Why not?! But the theme is not "History was changed“ - but God could of course change history if He decides to to do so.

In my opinion, this is a very difficult and inaccurate way to explain a miracle. God intervenes - feeding 5,000 very hungry people - and while He did change them from being hungry to being fed, He performed a miracle to feed them - not change their history of being hungry.

Which doesn’t mean God could not even if He wanted to… God jolly well could, and who knows if He already did and how often…

*……I just am not sure what it is that is being accomplished with the argument that ‘God changed history’, but I don’t see anything of substance coming of it.
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Oh, I never said God changed history, but how could we ever doubt that God could not - even if God wanted to. To Him who created the Universe and all there is, this would be no big deal ;-D At least less than Mom’s efforts to plant a new little tree to safe the families peace. And if God ever did change history, we of course would not know, as then, though it had; it had never happened.

*Maybe it would be simpler and more accurate to just identify that God really did step into history and made His Presence known to man. Now, that is a miracle.
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Well, this God could but doesn’t want to do to a even higher extend than Jesus Christ did to many or God the Father did over 3.300 years ago to Moses and even much earlier to Abraham. Else God would force us to believe - which God could but never will, for then he could have made us Angels in the first place - which would be unjust towards the Angels, as they had their probation too and had to decide for God or for Luzifer. We can’t get into heaven without any probation, and so got to compile our belief ourselves first - versus all of hells sweet temptations. Satan even tempted Jesus and it was then that Jesus clearly said that He is God: Mt 4,7: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Yours
Bruno
 
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