We must Resist the religion Islam

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I will tell you upfront that I devote my love to people and harmony. I can see and help a muslim or Arab-they are all GOD’s creation, but i have a deep deep hatred for Islam… I believe it is truly the great satanic regligion based on hate, intolerance and a vile wish against women. Please dont quote me the koran, kuran, quran, or qoran. I have read this demonic book along with the medina code. I know these very well and have formed this opinion over 10 years of interest, research, communications and some involvement.

Muhammed was an illeterate, evil man who had a big chip on his shoulder and began the rantings of insane mind that eventually was re-scripted by the same likes and all was needed was and evil spiritual air and demons and the rest is history.

I speak as a prophet would to all that this religion will kill freedom, liberty and a just way of life. I say this as a Christian man on a horse yelling the enemy is here and within !! If we dont take an immediate resistance against this growing threat we will lose all we enjoy and take for granted.

Why? Ironically its not about Islam as the problem, its US !!

As a very well educated scholar wrote about the ongoings in Europe
“These are small parts of a very big picture. After the London Tube bombings and the French riots a few years back, commentators lined up behind the idea that Western Muslims are insufficiently assimilated. But in their mastery of legalisms and the language of victimology, they’re superbly assimilated. Since these are the principal means of discourse in multicultural societies, they’ve mastered all they need to know. Every day of the week, somewhere in the West, a **Muslim lobbying group **is engaging in an action similar to what I’m facing in Canada. Meanwhile, in London, masked men marched through the streets with signs reading “Behead the Enemies of Islam” and promising another 9/11 and another Holocaust, all **while being protected by a phalanx of London policemen”. **

Islam must be pushed back !! We must Fight this with all our Heart Mind and Soul… We must pray to the LORD GOD the Father and Allow the Holy Spirit to work within all of us and Let our Almighty father Jesus Christ to lead !!

Again he writes " would argue that these incremental concessions to Islam are ultimately a bigger threat than terrorism. What matters is not what the lads in the Afghan cave—the “extremists”—believe, but what the non-extremists believe, what people who are for the most part law-abiding taxpayers of functioning democracies believe".

It’s a different situation in America, which has the First Amendment and a social consensus that increasingly does not exist in Europe. Europe’s consensus seems to be that Danish cartoonists should be able to draw what they like, but not if it sparks Islamic violence. It is certainly odd that the requirement of self-restraint should only apply to one party.

I write this to all of you who would read take note to the last bit of quote

"Ultimately, our crisis is not about Islam. It’s not about fire-breathing Imams or polygamists whooping it up on welfare. It’s not about them. It’s about us. And by us I mean the culture that shaped the modern world, and established the global networks, legal systems, and trading relationships on which the planet depends.

To reprise Sir Edward Grey, the lamps are going out all over the world, and an awful lot of the map will look an awful lot darker by the time many Americans realize the scale of this struggle".

Its within US to make this Difference… We must all begin to speak out, for our childrens sake or we LOSE…
 
Couldn’t this just as easily have gone into one of the many, many other thereads that are dedicated to Islam on this forum? I don’t forsee anything coming from his other than Planten or Muslim Woman or another apologist coming here and saying “But what about ______ in western/Christian countries?” and then everyone devolving into a bunch of arguments that never, ever end.

Also, really…the giant bolded letters, the bits where you call yourself a “prophet”, and the over-reliance on exclamation points makes it seem like you are a ranting crazy person. The grammatical mistakes don’t really help either.
 
I disagree with Islam’s teaching (especially concerning historicity and Jesus’ divinity) but i am not up to bigotry (such as “eliminating” Islam). Its healthy to debate or disagree but unhealthy to promote hatred.
 
I disagree with Islam’s teaching (especially concerning historicity and Jesus’ divinity) but i am not up to bigotry (such as “eliminating” Islam). Its healthy to debate or disagree but unhealthy to promote hatred.
This isnt about Hate… Well I guess it is… I do hate Islam, and I want to promote not just a Hate for Islam but a Deep Hate.

Let me make myself VERY CLEAR !! Im not promoting killing ANYONE !! I am Promoting Killing THE RELIGION itself… Study this Religion yourself and see if ANY GOOD can come from it… Not some individual stats, but I mean A whole Picture as a Future and WORLD as a whole. Look at Islam now and tell me this would be good for the World…

You show me a devout Muslim and I will show you a terroist.

Its the Religion that IS the Problem !!! Its the quran that is the PROBLEM !

Im yelling from the rooftops and cant make it anymore CLEAR… One day you are going to look back and wish you had fought for just a Chance, One Chance to change the minds of people against Islam…

I say this out of Love for my mankind… And especially Women, Included. Without a Judeo Christian system that looks to Christ as the head, is doomed to fail anyway, but why ride a rocket sled called Islam to disaster.
 
Couldn’t this just as easily have gone into one of the many, many other thereads that are dedicated to Islam on this forum? I don’t forsee anything coming from his other than Planten or Muslim Woman or another apologist coming here and saying “But what about ______ in western/Christian countries?” and then everyone devolving into a bunch of arguments that never, ever end.

Also, really…the giant bolded letters, the bits where you call yourself a “prophet”, and the over-reliance on exclamation points makes it seem like you are a ranting crazy person. The grammatical mistakes don’t really help either.
You should be overjoyed that people are speaking out against such atrocities like Islam… Dont join and dont have the nerve or the fortitude to speak? Then Dont.

Personally I want the news to spread, that we are on a war front of cultural clashes.

Oh when you say grammatical errors, you mean like the one you typed above "I don’t forsee anything coming from his other than Planten or Muslim Woman or "… From His?
 
You should be overjoyed that people are speaking out against such atrocities like Islam… Dont join and dont have the nerve or the fortitude to speak? Then Dont.
Ehhh…it’s closer to Cathopologist’s view that talk of “elimination” is not good.
Personally I want the news to spread, that we are on a war front of cultural clashes.
Oh. Okay. Like the “Clash of Civilizations” business? I think that’s a bit overblown, but there certainly is plenty of evidence of Islam running roughshod over Christian and other religious minorities (and even majorities, as in historically Christian Ethiopia), so I will grant that there is a lot of conflict and violence, and people should speak up about it. Culturally, though, there is a danger in presenting either side as a monolith of all bad/all good. Some of the most anti-expansionist Muslims I’ve ever known were Somalis who were happily Muslim but deeply angry at what they saw as Arab cultural imperialism in their land. They saw the Arabs’ way of practicing Islam as foreign and spiritually restrictive, and ultimately responsible for making Somalia the hellhole it is now. I’m not sure if I buy that, but it’s nice to hear from Muslims themselves that some of their co-religionists just plain suck, as opposed to the more standard (at least on this board) attitude that no Muslim will ever condemn another no matter what they do. Maybe there is hope in Muslim diaspora? I dunno.
Oh when you say grammatical errors, you mean like the one you typed above "I don’t forsee anything coming from his other than Planten or Muslim Woman or "… From His?
Hahaha. Ouch. Touché, good Sir or Ma’am. My apologies for what was a quick and cheap shot. Very un-Christian of me, and I really do apologize. I’m not proud of myself at all. 😦
 
Ehhh…it’s closer to Cathopologist’s view that talk of “elimination” is not good.

Oh. Okay. Like the “Clash of Civilizations” business? I think that’s a bit overblown, but there certainly is plenty of evidence of Islam running roughshod over Christian and other religious minorities (and even majorities, as in historically Christian Ethiopia), so I will grant that there is a lot of conflict and violence, and people should speak up about it.

Hahaha. Ouch. Touché, good Sir or Ma’am. My apologies for what was a quick and cheap shot. Very un-Christian of me, and I really do apologize. I’m not proud of myself at all. 😦
You sound like a very well rounded person. So I will definitely respond accordingly and with respect. Though I know I should, regardless.

Well I will tell you my name is Jaime and I am a male who is honored and priviledged to ever find the Graces of GOD and his Son Jesus Christ.

About the talk of elimination, I just dont see any other way… Let me say that I have thought it over every which way I can and until there is no script or writings of religion teaching or stating a rule of elimination of any other non believer, it will always come back and rear its ugly head. Man, again I wish it didnt have to be that way, but I just dont see any other complete, I mean, COMPLETE solution.

Well if you look at the return of Christ a big elimination will be forced. After all it will take 7 years to clean up the mess and destruction.

Back to the people:
I also know some middle easterns who are muslim and are very cordial and nice to associate with. But its not that they are the threat, its the writings.

Okay respectfully to you dzheremi, just tell me, if you could, I mean if you had the complete power and authority, how would you spread the thought and actions of life, liberty, and freedom throughout the world… I mean the really big picture, say if GOD empowered you ?

Waiting with anticipation…😃
 
About the talk of elimination, I just dont see any other way… Let me say that I have thought it over every which way I can and until there is no script or writings of religion teaching or stating a rule of elimination of any other non believer, it will always come back and rear its ugly head. Man, again I wish it didnt have to be that way, but I just dont see any other complete, I mean, COMPLETE solution.
Alright, well, then we are focusing on different things. You want Islam to be GONE completely (which I don’t think will ever happen), whereas I want Muslims and indeed all people to see that God is who He says He is in the Bible (which IS happening right now, as evidenced by people on this very forum and elsewhere). The thing is that you can’t get from point A to point B with destruction. Islam provides its practicioners with some common ground with Christianity because the Qur’an takes much from the Bible. These “good” parts of Islam should be acknowleged and used as a basis for dialogue, and to show Muslims who we Christians really are and what we really believe, because they are NOT getting an accurate picture from their Qur’an and other sources. Muhammad couldn’t even get the composition of the Trinity right!

Of course, there are some individual Muslims (as there are individuals of other religions) who cannot be reasoned with, because they are not interested in dialogue in the first place, only in imposing their will on everyone at any cost. Still, I think it is wise to be careful when determining just who is what “type” of believer. Much has been made of Walid Shoebat, Mosab Hassan Yousef, and other former militants who have come to Christianity from radical Islam. Could we have known that this would happen when they were still involved in terrorist activities or propaganda?
Remember Philippians 4:13 and Mark 10:27. All things are possible with God.
Okay respectfully to you dzheremi, just tell me, if you could, I mean if you had the complete power and authority, how would you spread the thought and actions of life, liberty, and freedom throughout the world… I mean the really big picture, say if GOD empowered you ?
I say He already has empowered me this way, as he has also empowered you, and all of us. We can ALL spread the life, liberty, and freedom that we have to the people we come into contact with. Granted I know this is probably not the kind of “spreading” you talking about, but it is the kind that is realistic for the average Christian, and that is all I am.

I am around Saudis, Emiratis, and other Muslims almost every day. I do not take it as my duty to tell them how their religion is wrong (they wouldn’t respond to that anyway; it does not fit their mindset just as a Christian would likewise not listen to anti-Christian arguments), but I believe it IS my duty to show them through my actions and my words the good of Christianity that they do not know, that they are lied to about, whenever and however I can.

I suppose you could say that’s my small way of trying to “eliminate” Islam: By growing in my own faith, and trying to relate to other people so that they will see the strength of the faith. It is stronger than Islam. Yes, I am alarmed by the current rise of Islamic fundamentalism, but I know it is not unique to this period of time, and more important in the end it is not powerful and it will never, ever be victorious over the Lord.
 
Please strive to maintain charity in your posts. I don’t want to have to shut down the thread, but we’re getting dangerously close to being very uncharitable.

God bless-

Rachel
 
I thought I was being charitable…? :confused:

I love my Muslim and other non-Christian friends and acquaintances!
 
CKP0208, i don’t mean this in a derogatory manner, but i think preaching what you preach is really un-christian. There are some beautiful people within Islam who are charitable and have out in efforts to stop the sadness and atrocities that has been on for centuries. This is their religion and i believe at in the modern times, people have misunderstood them horribly. Especially the media and bigoted preaching.

Of course, which Christian would not want to evangelize a Muslim to bring him “back home”? Seriously i doubt eliminating Islam is not an answer. It will only create further scapegoats. No one here is saying that we should allow our daughters or sons to marry Muslim. Now every good Christian parent at least sit with their children to discuss the possibilities than may be chance that may happen to be obliged to listen. I do not think any in their rignht minds would say things like, “Go out there and preach to that Muslim.” Teach him about Jesus. More often, it will only come to a point where the Muslim has to show you his door.

I live in a county where Muslims here behave better than the Muslims in the M.E
 
Remember Philippians 4:13 and Mark 10:27. All things are possible with God.

I say He already has empowered me this way, as he has also empowered you, and all of us. We can ALL spread the life, liberty, and freedom that we have to the people we come into contact with. Granted I know this is probably not the kind of “spreading” you talking about, but it is the kind that is realistic for the average Christian, and that is all I am.

I suppose you could say that’s my small way of trying to “eliminate” Islam: By growing in my own faith, and trying to relate to other people so that they will see the strength of the faith. It is stronger than Islam. Yes, I am alarmed by the current rise of Islamic fundamentalism, but I know it is not unique to this period of time, and more important in the end it is not powerful and it will never, ever be victorious over the Lord.
Spoken like a true Christian… Sometimes I see the exact approach you speak of… But then at many times in my later life, I find I must speak against the islamic faith. Maybe this is a weakness or breakdown on my part. Im open to that…

There is another side of me that I excersize and speak and that is the spreading of the Gospel. I have dedication to websites and articles to such as well as involvement within my local churches. Which Im sure you participate as well.

I just dont want to give islam a chance, on my part, to grow without a resistant / push back … Its not that I lash out, its what I truly believe. You are right though, this approach I take would most likely never win over any muslim. But it wasnt them I was trying to reach, its all of us who believe otherwise. However again I am open to being wrong. I know when I think of Jesus, this would NOT be his approach… I admit that. I just dont want to go to my grave letting evil rise because this Christian man did nothing…

You speak like a true Christian and my hope for you is strength as you see fit. From the sound of it you are probably a really great person to work with. Im honored you are part of the brotherhood of Christ.
 
CKP0208, i don’t mean this in a derogatory manner, but i think preaching what you preach is really un-christian. There are some beautiful people within Islam who are charitable and have out in efforts to stop the sadness and atrocities that has been on for centuries. This is their religion and i believe at in the modern times, people have misunderstood them horribly. Especially the media and bigoted preaching.

Of course, which Christian would not want to evangelize a Muslim to bring him “back home”? Seriously i doubt eliminating Islam is not an answer. It will only create further scapegoats. No one here is saying that we should allow our daughters or sons to marry Muslim. Now every good Christian parent at least sit with their children to discuss the possibilities than may be chance that may happen to be obliged to listen. I do not think any in their rignht minds would say things like, “Go out there and preach to that Muslim.” Teach him about Jesus. More often, it will only come to a point where the Muslim has to show you his door.

I live in a county where Muslims here behave better than the Muslims in the M.E
I agree with many muslims not being violent or even devout.

You may have a point… In my approach…

But do you agree that one day islam will be eliminated ? I mean, you dont think islam will be part of the Kingdom of Heaven? If not then would it be Christ who eliminates this? And if that so, would it not be Christian?

Also thank you for taking the time to write on this… With love to you my Brother !
 
There are only two possibilities for “eliminating” a religious belief. You either convert the believers or kill them. Since you said that you are not advocating killing anyone, then the only option is conversion. Muslims are difficult to convert, particularly in Islamic nations, so I’m not sure what you are proposing to be done about it beyond what Christians are doing to convert Muslims.
 
Wow. Thank you very much for your kind words, CKP0208. I am honored and humbled by such a kind description. It is wonderful that two people with very different perspectives on this issue can come together in spite of our differences, still politely disagreeing as two are likely to do, but remaining strong in our mutual love of Christ and the faith. Thanks.
 
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