We should petition the Pope to restart the Agnus Dei sacramental tradition

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This blog is where I found Agnus Dei… I’m sure it’s factual. I think we should write to the Pope and request he restart the tradition involving blessing Agnus Deis.
I don’t know if you can sell Agnus Deis or other blessed things–can you? Does time change? Did Vatican 2 lift any restriction upon it when they dropped some of the indulgences for prayers in the raccolta?

This site is from the Kathleen Keating site, but I first heard about it in Dedicated Decades. I hear the magazine makers are SSPX Mass goers, but they don’t get into controversial stuff–in fact, they said something that contradicts most malcontents in one of their DD publications. It has pious sentiments in it. I hope they offer back issues online someday.
 
BTW I am an FSSP goer who will go to N.O. Masses too, so I am not promoting people go in the SSPX direction. That is not traditional of them in the most basic sense as we have had corrupt clergy and then ones like there were in Pope Leo 13th’s and St. Pius X’s time (not including any clergy that did not need to be restricted by them for being into persistent errors–esp. by Pius X, who should be a “the Great”).
 
If I am not supposed to post sites, I apologize. It may be easier just to go after the uncharitable, post untruth on purpose and those who go off topic. Otherwise, accidents happen. There may be too many little rules.
 
foolishmortal said:
speak.ca/forum/view_topic.php?id=26&forum_id=31&page=37

This blog is where I found Agnus Dei… I’m sure it’s factual. I think we should write to the Pope and request he restart the tradition involving blessing Agnus Deis.
I don’t know if you can sell Agnus Deis or other blessed things–can you? Does time change? Did Vatican 2 lift any restriction upon it when they dropped some of the indulgences for prayers in the raccolta?

This site is from the Kathleen Keating site, but I first heard about it in Dedicated Decades. I hear the magazine makers are SSPX Mass goers, but they don’t get into controversial stuff–in fact, they said something that contradicts most malcontents in one of their DD publications. It has pious sentiments in it. I hope they offer back issues online someday.
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Blessed Sacramentals may be sold but it is forbidden to charge extra because of the blessing. In other words the “blessing” cannot be sold.
 
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Blessed Sacramentals may be sold but it is forbidden to charge extra because of the blessing. In other words the “blessing” cannot be sold.
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When they are sold, they are no longer blessed.
 
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Can you give me your source for this because I don’t think that is correct.
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The Catholic Encyclopedia Article on Simony (Public Domain):
The spiritual object includes whatever is conducive to the eternal welfare of the soul, i.e. all supernatural things: sanctifying grace, the sacraments, sacramentals, etc. While according to the natural and Divine laws the term simony is applicable only to the exchange of supernatural treasures for temporal advantages, its meaning has been further extended through ecclesiastical legislation. In order to preclude all danger of simony the Church has forbidden certain dealings which did not fall under Divine prohibition. It is thus unlawful to exchange ecclesiastical benefices by private authority, to accept any payment whatever for holy oils, to sell blessed rosaries or crucifixes. Such objects lose, if sold, all the indulgences previously attached to them (S. Cong. Of Indulg., 12 July, 1847). Simony of ecclesiastical law is, of course a variable element, since the prohibitions of the Church may be abrogated or fall into disuse. Simony whether it be of ecclesiastical or Divine law, may be divided into mental, conventional, and real (simonia mentalis, conventionalis, et realis). In mental simony there is lacking the outward manifestation, or, according to others, the approval on the part of the person to whom a proposal is made. In conventional simony an expressed or tacit agreement is entered upon. It is subdivided into merely conventional, when neither party has fulfilled any of the terms of the agreement, and mixed conventional, when one of the parties has at least partly complied with the assumed obligations. To the latter subdivision may be referred what has been aptly termed “confidential simony”, in which an ecclesiastical benefice is procured for a certain person with the understanding that later he will either resign in favour of the one through whom he obtained the position or divide with him the revenues. Simony is called real when the stipulations of the mutual agreement have been either partly or completely carried out by both parties.
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It is thus unlawful to exchange ecclesiastical benefices by private authority, to accept any payment whatever for holy oils, to sell blessed rosaries or crucifixes. Such objects lose, if sold, all the indulgences previously attached to them (S. Cong. Of Indulg., 12 July, 1847).UNQUOTE

Thanks although I have the feeling there is something more up to date than that. The above states a blessed rosary or crucifix cannot be sold but that is not true. They can be sold but you cannot charge for the blessing attached to them. The blessing stays but any indulgences which had arisen out of that blessing would be lost.
I think what this article refers to are the loss of indulgences and not blessings. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’ve also got this wrong.
Anyway thanks again for the info. I’lll keep searching and let you know if I come up with something more recent.
 
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