We want an EF mass. The priest says we sound like schismatics

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Brendan_64 said:
An evening Mass on a day during the week?
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What are the fasting requirements for EF? An hour, like the OF? 3 hours? From Midnight?

Those should be a factor in scheduling, since that was a major part of EF spirituality. It is why masses are at 6:30 & 8:30 in some places. 2 pm is OF scheduling, as is evening masses.

This is also a factor is celebrating ad orientem, to set people looking toward the sunrise at an early mass. Ad orientem just is not the same thing at midday.
 
Dovekin said:
What are the fasting requirements for EF? An hour, like the OF? 3 hours? From Midnight?
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It is one hour. There have been some questions regarding this, the question being Since the Code was three hours when the EF Missal came out, do the laws also apply to it?
For some things it seems it is the affirmative. For example, the Leonine Prayers or Prayers ordered by the Pope are not actually in the Missal, yet most EF Masses recite them after Low Mass, even though they were suppressed by Inter Oecumenici in 1964. The Judica Me and the Last Gospel were also omitted by this document but they are in the Missal so that is obvious they would be said in the EF. Most priests will say though that these prayers still should be said since they were the prescription when the Missal came out. This has led some to ask what they are now for. They originally were prescribed by Pope Leo Xlll for a solution to the Papal State question; following the Lateran Treaty in 1929, Pope Pius Xl asked they be said for the Conversion of Russia.
On other things however which are binding on the laity, such as fasting before Mass, the current laws of the Church are in force. With that said, people who go to the EF would be more likely to follow the old prescription regarding that and would fast for three hours, or even abstain from eating meat on all Fridays throughout the year instead of just Lent.
 
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gracepoole said:
Why include this? How does your dislike of any language other than English impact the OP’s question
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Because I was responding to this statement by the OP:

"Someone above me said something like a lot of people don’t like the EF . That’s to bad in my opinion, because that is our Catholic history. To not like it is just as bad in my opinion as someone being flagged on here for complaining about the OF. "

The implication that I received from the OP was that there is something “wrong” with not liking the EF. I think the quote implies this.
 
Peeps said:
The implication that I received from the OP was that there is something “wrong” with not liking the EF. I think the quote implies this.
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There is. If someone on this site says anything negative about the OF they are flagged. Please refrain from speaking negatively about a valid form of Mass.
 
Peeps said:
The implication that I received from the OP was that there is something “wrong” with not liking the EF.
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It appears that statements to the effect that one dislikes or hates something are very provocative on CAF. Just sayin.
 
This is not true.
What happens is that many who prefer the EF get it in their head that the EF Mass is somehow better, and that the OF Mass is deficient. That is what causes people to get flagged.

I have no problem with the fact that you prefer the EF. I am sure Peeps doesn’t either.
I, like Peeps, perfer the OF. I would not ever go out of my way to attend another EF Mass.
I have attended quite a few- high, low and everything in between, it is not for me. That is not speaking negatively about the Mass, it is expressing an opinion, just like yours.
 
OK , fine.
@Peeps was stating her opinion. She did not “dis” the EF, she just said she prefers the OF.
There is nothing wrong with what she said. At all.
 
I would go back to this priest with the facts and explain to him that it is NOT schismatic to request the EF and that it is part of our Catholic tradition and that you don’t understand his resistance. I would say that his labeling of you as schismatics is upsetting and inaccurate and though he isn’t under any obligation to accede to your request, that maybe it’s a good thing to support people of faith in the parish rather than shooting them down based on his own (erroneous) theological or liturgical ideas.
 
AdamP88 said:
I would go back to this priest with the facts and explain to him that it is NOT schismatic to request the EF and that it is part of our Catholic tradition and that you don’t understand his resistance. I would say that his labeling of you as schismatics is upsetting and inaccurate and though he isn’t under any obligation to accede to your request, that maybe it’s a good thing to support people of faith in the parish rather than shooting them down based on his own (erroneous) theological or liturgical ideas.
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As someone who loves mass in Latin (both EF and OF), I would leave it alone. I would not engage anymore with this priest regarding the latin mass and I would seek out the local Latin Mass society.

We need to pick out battles, and arguing with a parish priest who is getting close to retirement about the Latin Mass isn’t a battle worth fighting.
 
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phil19034 said:
As someone who loves mass in Latin (both EF and OF), I would leave it alone. I would not engage anymore with this priest regarding the latin mass and I would seek out the local Latin Mass society.

We need to pick out battles, and arguing with a parish priest who is getting close to retirement about the Latin Mass isn’t a battle worth fighting.
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Maybe so but I’ve had encounters with this exact type of priest and it’s no harm letting them know that their position is simply wrong and they are unjustly accusing you of being a schismatic.
 
We are not entirely sure that was the exact terminology used or in what context.
We only have the words of the OP, who is disappointed in his pastor’s decision.

We also have no idea what this particular priest has dealt with.

So, while charity seems to be expected for the OP, a little bit for the dissenting opinions in this thread would also go a long way.
 
Dovekin said:
What are the fasting requirements for EF? An hour, like the OF? 3 hours? From Midnight?
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My understanding is that the fasting requirements for the EF are no different than for the OF, ie one hour minimum before Communion.
 
phil19034 said:
We need to pick out battles, and arguing with a parish priest who is getting close to retirement about the Latin Mass isn’t a battle worth fighting.
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And if the priest views the EF Mas as bring a retrograde step and something that the Church gas moved on from, then you face an uphill battle.
 
Prodigal1984 said:
It is one hour. There have been some questions regarding this, the question being Since the Code was three hours when the EF Missal came out, do the laws also apply to it?
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It sounds like a liturgical abuse to me. 🤔

I do not care much about liturgical abuses. I just want people to know that the EF has been deeply influenced by V2. Whatever joy and beauty uou find in it, carry it to the OF. Do not let it be schismatic, a battle or a disappointment, but a blessing you can share. That seems like your natural instinct, to share the gift with your parish, ao I hope you can keep to that.
 
Prodigal1984 said:
They originally were prescribed by Pope Leo Xlll for a solution to the Papal State question; following the Lateran Treaty in 1929, Pope Pius Xl asked they be said for the Consecration of Russia.
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Consecration, or conversion?

Conversion of Russia (or of any nation or people), assuming that is what is happening (and I think it is), is an ongoing process, and there is no need to quit praying for it. Alternatively, I suppose the Leonine prayers could simply be offered for the intentions of the Holy Father. Hard to go wrong with that.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
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Prodigal1984:
They originally were prescribed by Pope Leo Xlll for a solution to the Papal State question; following the Lateran Treaty in 1929, Pope Pius Xl asked they be said for the Consecration of Russia.
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Consecration, or conversion?

Conversion of Russia (or of any nation or people), assuming that is what is happening (and I think it is), is an ongoing process, and there is no need to quit praying for it. Alternatively, I suppose the Leonine prayers could simply be offered for the intentions of the Holy Father. Hard to go wrong with that.
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I don’t think conversion is really happening in Russia… 😦

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And total Christianity for 2012 is below the total Eastern Orthodoxy number from 1998

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