We want an EF mass. The priest says we sound like schismatics

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ProVobis said:
Actually Pope John Paul restored the 1962 liturgical books in 1984 with the stipulation they must be said in Latin.
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Yah and Pope Benedict XVl superseded that in 2007.
Art. 6. In Masses with a congregation celebrated according to the Missal of Blessed John XXIII, the readings may be proclaimed also in the vernacular, using editions approved by the Apostolic See.
 
I know that if there are vernacular handouts they must have a copyright acknowledgement, depending on which handmissal they are taken from. Generally this is good enough.
 
I’m not saying I want the EF said in the vernacular, just saying hypothetically according to SP they can happen. Probably the same way the OF can be said in Latin.
 
ProVobis said:
I know that if there are vernacular handouts they must have a copyright acknowledgement, depending on which handmissal they are taken from. Generally this is good enough.
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MOST - if not all - of the vernacular handouts for the Extraordinary Form are all from the DR translations. That translation is now in the public domain.

When I attend mass at the local FSSP parish, during the homily, the priest reads the scriptures from a book - which I THINK might be the Douay-Confraternity version or Confraternity, because it often differs a little from the Douay Rheims that they use in weekly reading handouts & differ from my missal.
 
phil19034 said:
Douay-Confraternity version or Confraternity, because it often differs a little from the Douay Rheims that they use in weekly reading handouts & differ from my missal.
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Yes that is absolutely correct. It is the Confraternity version they use, which is different than what is in any Missal I have seen which I believe is just the Douay Rheims; however I’m not sure if it is pre Challoner or the Challoner revision Douay Rheims. I’ve used both the Angelus and Baronius Missals and the translation is the same in both.
Technically I believe the only completely legal Missal for the EF is the Baronius Press Missal as they have amended the Prayer for the Jews on Good Friday which Pope Benedict XVl amended a little after SP. But that won’t alter which missal I use. I prefer the Angelus one by far.
 
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I don’t know. It looks nice and perhaps is covered by Fair Use if copied.

But I wonder what the reaction would be if something similar were done in the OF. Those missalette publishers would not be too happy.
 
Sirach2 said:
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HomeschoolDad:
I had to chuckle at this. Every Sunday when I go to the OF, I am being “forced” to do so, as I must fulfill my obligation, and the nearest EF is two hours away.
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Prodigal1984 said:
Someone above made it sound like it shouldn’t be forced on anyone. What does that mean? That what millenia of Catholics knew and were devoted too should not be forced on anyone as if it is dangerous?
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Just a point of correction. I think the poster was referring to being forced to attend the OF, not the EF.
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@Sirach2
Just a point of correction.

@Prodigal1984 was not referring to Post 86, by Homeschool Dad, as you thought, but at Post #76, by Tis_Bearself, which reads:

“Some people are really turned off by Latin Mass for a variety of reasons. Since Latin Mass is currently an ‘extraordinary’ option, there’s no reason to force knowledge of it on people who don’t care for it.”

Prodigal1984’s entire post, quoted above, which you referenced, only makes sense with Post #76.

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vz71 said:
My limited point of view says we all would be better off without those guys anyway.
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We Celebrate is okay. My home parish gets both missalettes and hymnals from them. They also get a subscription to that magazine Word Among Us and put those at the entrance. That magazine is, questionable. Some articles in it have some hazy theology that borders on Protestantism.
We Celebrate is okay but some other churches get some pretty bad ones, like Breaking Bread. I don’t understand how these publishers have any say over copyrights. They get a permission themselves to use the readings.
I think the EF translations use the Douay Rheims, which I don’t think you need a permission to use. It hasn’t been updated in translation since 1899.
 
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Minks said:
@Prodigal1984 was not referring to Post 86, by Homeschool Dad, as you thought, but at Post #76, by Tis_Bearself, which reads:

“Some people are really turned off by Latin Mass for a variety of reasons. Since Latin Mass is currently an ‘extraordinary’ option, there’s no reason to force knowledge of it on people who don’t care for it.”
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So let me get this straight. It is OK for people to be “turned off” by the Latin Mass, not to prefer it, to want never to have anything to do with it. But if someone is “turned off” by the Novus Ordo…

For what it’s worth, I attend a Novus Ordo parish that is really pretty sweet, very traditional, they do not offer the EF but there is an OF Latin Mass once a week (weekday). I sat there and thought “the only real problem I could have with this is that it’s not the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer I)”. I go to the EF when I can, but if one has to attend an OF parish, it would be hard to beat mine. I’ve been to some real liturgical train wrecks but this parish isn’t one of them.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
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Minks:
@Prodigal1984 was not referring to Post 86, by Homeschool Dad, as you thought, but at Post #76, by Tis_Bearself, which reads:

“Some people are really turned off by Latin Mass for a variety of reasons. Since Latin Mass is currently an ‘extraordinary’ option, there’s no reason to force knowledge of it on people who don’t care for it.”
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So let me get this straight. It is OK for people to be “turned off” by the Latin Mass, not to prefer it, to want never to have anything to do with it. But if someone is “turned off” by the Novus Ordo…

For what it’s worth, I attend a Novus Ordo parish that is really pretty sweet, very traditional, they do not offer the EF but there is an OF Latin Mass once a week (weekday). I sat there and thought “the only real problem I could have with this is that it’s not the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer I)”. I go to the EF when I can, but if one has to attend an OF parish, it would be hard to beat mine. I’ve been to some real liturgical train wrecks but this parish isn’t one of them.
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@HomeschoolDad

HUH??? I believe that you’ve misinterpreted.
 
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Minks said:
@HomeschoolDad

HUH??? I believe that you’ve musinterpreted.
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No, I was just drawing the distinction between the conditions that EF adherents are expected to meet, versus conditions that OF adherents are expected to meet.
Prodigal1984 said:
Let me guess. EP 2?
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No, it was EP 3 — “you never cease to gather a people to yourself, so that from the rising of the sun to its setting…”, or as it was put in the previous translation, “so that from east to west…”. What apostolic tradition did this come from? It sounds more like a geography lesson.

I don’t question its validity or its liceity, but it is always just a little jarring to me. I much prefer the Roman Canon (EP 1), which is essentially the TLM translated into the vernacular.
 
Yah it is the same except that the multiple signs of the cross done in the TLM no longer happen. As for the canon itself it is the same. Besides the mystery of faith being moved. And the private prayers of the priest before and after the canon were also removed.
 
Prodigal1984 said:
I think the EF translations use the Douay Rheims, which I don’t think you need a permission to use.
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The Douay Rheims itself is in the public domain which means anyone can publish it adding comments and such. The publication though is a separate matter and requires the publisher’s permission to be copied unless that copyright has expired.
 
Prodigal1984 said:
Yah it is the same except that the multiple signs of the cross done in the TLM no longer happen. As for the canon itself it is the same. Besides the mystery of faith being moved. And the private prayers of the priest before and after the canon were also removed.
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Yes, the TLM rubrics are pretty specific. I have had in the back of my mind that when my son is raised, I just might offer myself to the Church and discern a priestly vocation. One deterrent to this is that I would wish to celebrate only the TLM, and I’m not sure that the various priestly societies (FSSP, ICKSP, SSPX, et al) would take someone at my age (59, I will be 64 when my son graduates high school). Also, not sure I could handle all those rubrics — it’s just not my temperament.

And at many TLMs, you have people in the congregation (thankfully not many) who watch every move and will even point and whisper to one another “did he do it right?”. Kind of pharasaical on one hand, but one reason some people prefer the TLM is because they cherish the precision and exactitude.
 
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