We want an EF mass. The priest says we sound like schismatics

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Well Baronius Press publishes a Douay Rheims Bible thus I don’t think they need to get permission from themselves to use it in their Missal. Not sure about Angelus Press.
 
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I do not have a declaration of nullity (very, very complicated canonical situation), my ex-wife “remarried” outside the permission of the Church, so it is entirely likely that this will never be a possibility for me. Whatever the Divine Will dictates.
 
Incidentally Baronius recently purchased the Knox Bible, which is quite good according to experts. They may have it online somewhere, I will check.
 
They produce a lot of stuff that’s been out of print for a while.
They are bringing the original Douay Rheims Bible(pre Challoner revision) back into print in the next few years which I am excited about.
 
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Oh, I’ve been through all that. It is a bizarre situation that went all the way to the bishop, with no resolution. I can’t discuss it beyond that. I am just going on the assumption that there will never be a declaration of nullity. It’s OK, I’m good with that, marriage isn’t the be-all and end-all of everything, we old guys get pretty set in our ways 🧐
 
Agreed wholeheartedly. The ball is in her court, she chooses to live in objectively mortal sin, and I am the last person in the world to whom she would look for spiritual advice. There are also financial and estate issues which make it much preferable for me to remain single.

And that is probably saying more than I should. I am at peace.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
nd at many TLMs, you have people in the congregation (thankfully not many) who watch every move and will even point and whisper to one another “did he do it right?”
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In my diocese we have a few priests who have stopped offering the EF for this exact reason.
One priest in particular, was called out in a very nasty letter from a parishioner that he failed to raise his hands correctly at the consecration and that because of that the consecration was invalid, blah, blah, blah.
Nevermind the fact that the priest was 3 weeks post shoulder surgery and was doing a favor for the parish as their regular priest was ill.

It boggles my mind why any priest would willingly put himself into that position, especially if he doesn’t have to.
 
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I might do this one day, but for right now, I am fully occupied with homeschooling my son, and providing home care for my elderly parents. The other day I had just run down the road on an errand, and in the meantime my father had fallen. Thankfully my son, age 12, is a strong, robust boy, and was able to help his grandpa up. Things such as this are why I can’t frequently get to the TLM (2 hours away).
 
I prefer going to the TLM, and travel to do it. But I have to say that to this date, the most beautiful celebration of the Mass I have ever participated in was when I visited a church while traveling. It was Mass in the ordinary form, but in Latin with Gregorian chant.
 
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The TLM rubrics are pretty specific relative to the Ordinary Form, but they’re not so hyper-specific as some attendees seem to think after reading Fortescue a couple times. There is some wiggle room for legitimate local custom. Is the bell ring at the elevation triplicate or singular? When the servers and priest pivot during the Asperges for the priest to bless those in choir is a “gate-turn” or “cross over” more appropriate? When to osculate objects? Do the altar servers ascend/descend the predella using the side steps or the front? Etc.

Those self-appointed liturgical experts who go off complaining to the pastor about the most recent EF “liturgical abuse” they just witnessed can wind up discouraging the priest from ever wanting to celebrate it again. It can have an effect on the men and boys who altar serve too. In our own parish we have one who after being roundly ignored by the celebrating priests tired of her complaining has taken to approaching the altar servers with those same complaints. She even had the nerve to tell one that “Fr. so-and-so doesn’t celebrate right, so just do what I’ve told you instead.”
 
AlbertDerGrosse said:
The TLM rubrics are pretty specific relative to the Ordinary Form, but they’re not so hyper-specific as some attendees seem to think after reading Fortescue a couple times. There is some wiggle room for legitimate local custom. Is the bell ring at the elevation triplicate or singular? When the servers and priest pivot during the Asperges for the priest to bless those in choir is a “gate-turn” or “cross over” more appropriate? When to osculate objects? Do the altar servers ascend/descend the predella using the side steps or the front? Etc.
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These are precisely the kind of little “nitpicks” to which I was referring.
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It can have an effect on the men and boys who altar serve too. In our own parish we have one who after being roundly ignored by the celebrating priests tired of her complaining has taken to approaching the altar servers with those same complaints.
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Been there, done that, as an adult TLM server. It got as specific as to which knee should be used for genuflecting. I can only genuflect using my right knee. That wasn’t the right thing to do, according to some self-appointed liturgical experts. I finally threw up my hands and invited one of them to serve if I wasn’t capable of doing it to suit them. I can only imagine what I’d be subjected to, if I were a priest celebrating the TLM.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Fine, show that to the priest and tell him the Pope says he has to accede to your request. Let us know how that works out.
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Pretty much.

Though I still wish the local traditional mass group, who do go to the trouble of finding a priest willing to celebrate the mass, would be allowed to celebrate it in a Catholic Church building. So far its a no go, but we’re hoping eventually the priest will soften and allow us inside.

I have the luxury of being able to go to one bimonthly in capitol city, which is a three hour bus ride.
 
Extraordinaryform.org is totally fine to use because they (like most of the Missals you can buy) use the DR-1899 version Bible translation, which is part of the Public Domain.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
And at many TLMs, you have people in the congregation (thankfully not many) who watch every move and will even point and whisper to one another “did he do it right?” . Kind of pharasaical on one hand, but one reason some people prefer the TLM is because they cherish the precision and exactitude.
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While there are SOME people who do this… I think it really rare. I don’t think it typically happens at FSSP, ICKSP, and the like parishes.

If/when it happens, I would wager it is usually at a diocesan EF with a priest who is being “forced” to celebrate it and/or one who never took the time to learn it properly from one of the several training centers on the internet.

Priests who are excited and want to offer it, are typically going to do a great job.
 
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I have had in the back of my mind that when my son is raised, I just might offer myself to the Church and discern a priestly vocation. One deterrent to this is that I would wish to celebrate only the TLM, and I’m not sure that the various priestly societies (FSSP, ICKSP, SSPX, et al) would take someone at my age (59, I will be 64 when my son graduates high school).
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I know of a priest who was ordained in his late 60s. He was willing to pay for the cost of his seminary studies and had his own retirement savings, etc.

So the bishop allowed him because they didn’t have to invest money into him. A priestly society MIGHT be willing to do something similar.

HOWEVER, the big draw back of the FSSP, ICKSP, etc for someone in your situation is that you would have to go wherever they send you, and you most likely would be very far from your son & family.

On the flipside, if you are willing & a bishop allows you to pay your way into a diocese, you also MIGHT be able to negotiate with the bishop that you would want to only minister to people who prefer the EF. The bishop might be open to diocesan EF Mass chaplain 🤷‍♂️
 
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To be blunt, the priest is within his rights to tell you to go pound sand. Likewise, you and your friends are within your right to take yourselves, and your tithes to another parish.

So, if I were you I’d find a different parish. Take yourself, and your tithe elsewhere.

The priest at the parish I was baptized at didn’t like the EF Mass, I found a church literally down the road from me that offered the traditional liturgy exclusively.

Needless to say I packed my bags and never looked back.

I wouldn’t bother talking about this any more with your priest. His mind is made up, you and your friends would be better served finding an FSSP or ICKSP parish in your state and going there. More and more young people are attracted to the traditional liturgy, and that’s a fact.
 
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phil19034 said:
If/when it happens, I would wager it is usually at a diocesan EF with a priest who is being “forced” to celebrate it and/or one who never took the time to learn it properly from one of the several training centers on the internet.
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That is a huge assumption, and a rather uncharitable one, too.
So sad that we throw our priests under the bus like this. :confused:
 
I have to confess this is one of the reasons I strictly attend the OF now. My pride and presumption is a problem and my spiritual condition became very poor when I pursued traditionalist practices and attitudes. The New Rite or reformed liturgy really helps me to be humble.
 
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