Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

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I am interested in the approach this forum takes to money. Apart from sex, (which I am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.

It seems Jesus thought so, also. Luke 16:19-31 KJV describes well enough His dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.

And this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist His words; ‘the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.’ to excuse our individual and collective failure to right this wrong.

There are two billion people who are absolutely poor, according the the UN. So poor, they cannot provide food and clean water, secure shelter, sanitation, and primary healthcare and education for their families. They live on the equivalent of less than $1.25 per day. Less than the cost of a starbucks coffee, for all their daily needs.

Meanwhile, the richest 1% of the world own as much as the remaining 99% put together. And, according to Oxfam, last year the rich got even richer, while the poor did not.

I propose a simple, just, fair, equitable solution.

Let us take all the world’s wealth, and divide it equitably amongst all the world’s people. And let us take all the world’s annual production, and divide it equitably amongst all the world’s people.

That would allow us each a net worth of some $33,000, and an income per year of some $16,000. Multiply by four, for the the combined allowance of the conventional nuclear family. That is quite sufficient for all of us to live a modest, environmentally sustainable, reasonably dignified way of life.

And let us do this voluntarily, gladly, even joyfully, because we think it good and right and just. And, for those of the rich who cannot bring themselves to part with their money, let us pity them the fate that Jesus warned of in the parable of Lazarus, and try to save them from the consequences of their avarice.

Best wishes, 2RM
 
Let us take all the world’s wealth, and divide it equitably amongst all the world’s people. And let us take all the world’s annual production, and divide it equitably amongst all the world’s people.
No. We’re not Communists. God commanded man, “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Handouts and nannying the world will accomplish nothing. Instead, we need productive jobs that can sustain a family. Work is sacred and we should encourage it.
 
Doubtless, Cruciferi, you will be pleased to learn that I am not a communist, either. I propose the voluntary redistribution of wealth. And, indeed, work. Are you happy, now?
Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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It’s better to earn that paycheck versus a handout. I don’t believe in any sort of redistribution. If people wish to give their extra money away, it should go towards their community first followed by Catholic Charities.
 
If you took all the wealth and divided it “equitably”…it would be an unjust taking.

But aside from that, within 30 years most everything would have snapped back, because most wealth is possessed because of certain combinations of virtues…and humans develop virtues at different rates.

What might some of these virtues be?

Industriousness
Fortitude
Daring
Enterprise
Initiative
Exactitude
Cheerfulness

And things like stable families help too.

Can’t fix poverty by taking money from people and handing to people. That’s the work of a simpleton.
 
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Do you really think, Edward_H, that the poor are poor because they lack virtues, and the rich are rich because they possess them? Seems to me far more to do with accident of birth, and condition of circumstance.
Best wishes, 2RM
 
I don’t believe treating the poor as a monolithic group is an act of an intelligent person.

Humans vary tremendously, and by and large those humans that develop the virtues I mentioned above tend to be more self sustaining and well off.

One doesn’t need a goofy sociology article to understand this reality.

One can look around at one’s own extended family in order to begin a comparison and an examination of what virtues tend to be associated with success, betterment, and advancement.

It’s become politically incorrect to speak about these enduring dispositions (which are develop-able) and habits in people, but that mindless “sensitivity” doesn’t change the reality that people work at their skills at different rates.

It’s simplistic to suggest “just divide up the money” and take it from people.

Please do some serious reading about what has happened in Venezuela over the last 20 or so years. Develop some more well reasoned positions.
 
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Seems to me far more to do with accident of birth, and condition of circumstance.
John 19:11

Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.

Everything good comes from God or is permitted by him. Those with greater authority and resources are given greater responsibility and they will be judged accordingly for their failures. The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus comes to mind…
 
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The reason why communism does not work is because it rewards idlers. This problem would still exist even if it were voluntary.

The right approach is to do all that is possible to ensure that has the opportunity to have a job that pays a living wage (and in the case of heads of households, a family wage), keeping in mind that what is considered a decent standard of living will vary from one society to another.

Any attempt to ensure that everyone has an equal standard of living, whether within a society or between societies, will end catastrophically.
 
The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus comes to mind…
Indeed. That was the scripture from Luke I referred to in the OP. I am not allowed to post links, being a newbie, or I would have done so for your ease of reference.
Best wishes, 2RM
 
Luke 16:19-31
Sounds like you have a socialist chip on your shoulder, and you should read your bible verses more carefully.

Luke 16:19-31 doesn’t say being wealthy is bad, it says ignoring the suffering of the poor is bad.

The bible also doesn’t preach everyone deserves an equal share. You should read the parable of the tares, to increase your understanding.
 
Right. Work gives purpose and order to people’s lives. This is why lottery winners tend to be very unhappy people.
 
The reason why communism does not work is because it rewards idlers.
Seems to me that capitalism has just the same problem. It’s just that the idle rich are, well, rich.
Best wishes, 2RM.
 
I would be happy winning the Lottery; however, it would be a great burden. I’d still show up to work.
 
So … I work hard and come up with great ideas.

And you want me to give it up to people who sit on their mom’s sofa and make demands.
 
Why does dialogue surrounding poverty nowadays center around equally distributing wealth as opposed to making sure every has their necessities met? Really, I don’t give a sh*t if my neighbor makes more than me. As long as I can live comfortably, that’s all that matters.
 
Sounds like you have a socialist chip on your shoulder,
No. Not really. I just object to the fact that 36 million people a year (according to the Borgen Project) are dieing of starvation. I cannot think that to be right, when the world has sufficient resources to succour them in their need.
Best wishes, 2RM.
 
Get rid of political corruption and satanic leadership and the world would course correct.
 
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