Wearing of Tefillin (Phylacteries) at Mass?

[AltarMan]

+JMJ

Interesting.

Didn’t the moderators have to close the thread on women wearing veils three times here on this site? Why stir the pot a fourth time? What is your point?

Is it not enough that it is and has been a tradition for a very long time, and that it is totally acceptable for woman to wear a head covering if they so chose to so. More over, if they were to have a private visit with the Pope, it is encouraged. Also, at any latin mass it is also encouraged (notice, I did not say it was the rule), by the chaplains of the Tridentine Mass congregations.

Why argue the point? What is there to argue about, really? If you don’t like it, don’t wear it. Can’t we agree on that?

Bringing up the matter of the Tefillin is really non-sensical, and has nothing to do with a woman wearing a modest veil to cover her hair out of respect for our loving Lord, Jesus Christ.

This thread is about Tefillin. It has been wonderfully re-focused on Tefillin by two excellent postings. Please do not try to de-rail the discussion by making provocative postings that do nothing to further the dialogue. Thanks in advance.

 

[CatholicCid]

Why does this remind me of that SSPI page with “To be any more Christian, You’d have to be Jewish” motto

Also, where’d you get your tefillin? How much did it cost?

More so seriously, I agree with the Christ fufilled the Old Law and brought the New Law. Your quotes stating we must do so are Old Testament Quotes… Should we trash them? Of couse not, they’re the Holy Words of God. But some Laws aren’t meant to be followed, such as staying Kosher (Don’t eat any pig now right? The swine will love us) ect… as Jesus fufilled them… Isn’t that an explanation? Then as to women wearing head coverings, that was NT so it was put into effect… Then dropped? Why? To me, it seems more trivial then the argument put into it.

If it troubles you such, take it to your Parish Priest, your Bishop, the local Cardinal, and the Pope…

 

[AltarMan]

CatholicCid:

…If it troubles you such, take it to your Parish Priest, your Bishop, the local Cardinal, and the Pope…

It dosen’t “trouble” me in the least. I’m just curious is all.

If you are going to give advice about the organizational structure of the Catholic Church, keep in mind that all bishops essentially report directly to the Pope. While an archbishop (whether a cardinal or not) has some limited powers/responsibilities as the head of an ecclesial province, his powers over other bishops within the ecclesial province are rather negligible. They certainly wouldn’t come into play in the sceanario you created.

 

[bigdawg]

Altarman,

All the Old Testament laws, including the one you listed above, have been set aside. None of them are in force today. All the ceremonial laws, civil laws, and the moral laws of the Old Covenant have been set aside.

How do we know this? The New Testament is very clear that the Old Covenant has been set aside and replaced by the New Covenant (cf., Hebrews 7:18; 8:7, 13; 10:9).

If any of the Old Covenant laws were still in force today, then we would all be condemned by them (Gal 3:10-12; Romans 3:19-20; 5:20; 7:6-11).

The only thing from the Old Covenant that survives today is the principles of lawful conduct, not the laws themselves.

The New Covenant reiterates those principles, but does so by subsuming and improving those principles within its own laws and governance (Romans 13:1-14; Gal 5:1-22; James 2:1-13; Hebrews 10:26-31). The Catholic Church is the chief interpreter and legislator in this regard.

(The above is paraphrased from R. Sungenis)

 

[CatholicCid]

AltarMan:

It dosen’t “trouble” me in the least. I’m just curious is all.

If you are going to give advice about the organizational structure of the Catholic Church, keep in mind that all bishops essentially report directly to the Pope. While an archbishop (whether a cardinal or not) has some limited powers/responsibilities as the head of an ecclesial province, his powers over other bishops within the ecclesial province are rather negligible. They certainly wouldn’t come into play in the sceanario you created.

I was actually refering to how these men might have better answers… Though I’ll prepare a full structure of the organizational structure of the CC incase I ever have to give advice about them

 

[AltarMan]

bigdawg:

Altarman,

All the Old Testament laws, including the one you listed above, have been set aside. None of them are in force today. All the ceremonial laws, civil laws, and the moral laws of the Old Covenant have been set aside.

How do we know this? The New Testament is very clear that the Old Covenant has been set aside and replaced by the New Covenant (cf., Hebrews 7:18; 8:7, 13; 10:9).

If any of the Old Covenant laws were still in force today, then we would all be condemned by them (Gal 3:10-12; Romans 3:19-20; 5:20; 7:6-11).

The only thing from the Old Covenant that survives today is the principles of lawful conduct, not the laws themselves.

The New Covenant reiterates those principles, but does so by subsuming and improving those principles within its own laws and governance (Romans 13:1-14; Gal 5:1-22; James 2:1-13; Hebrews 10:26-31). The Catholic Church is the chief interpreter and legislator in this regard.

(The above is paraphrased from R. Sungenis)

Have you seen what Bob Sungenis has been up to lately?

 

[bigdawg]

AltarMan:

Have you seen what Bob Sungenis has been up to lately?

Yes, but what did he write above that is inconsistent either with scripture or Catholic teaching?