Wearing the veil

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Ahh…here we go again about the Veil.

It doesn’t seem to matter how much a person/people point out the value/blessing a woman gets for wearing the Veil/headcovering. There is sure to be a “good Catholic” out there who is quick to point out it’s not in Cannon Law.

I asked on the last thread about Veiling and None of the “good Cahtolics” that have pointed out the Cannon Law (more than I care to remember) has Ever shown me yet, Why the Pope requires ALL women who go to visit him to be Veiled. Please show me where this is in Cannon Law! And yet several Women (even those who are not Catholics) who have gone to visit the Pope all wear a Veil when seeing him.

My question to the “good Catholics” who are so Stuck…on…if it’s Not in the Cannon Law, then we Don’t have to do it.…is this… “Are you sure everything you do as a Catholic is in Cannon Law”. Hint: some things we do as Catholics are Not in the Cannon Law, yet they are traditions.

So to stomp your feet, so to speak, and say “Well it’s not in the Cannon Law, I don’t have to do it.” Is plain and simple…laughable. There are many things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Laws!

So …take a deep breath…and if nothing else…really look into the subject on what it’s all about.

Veiling is Not about Cannon Law. Period! Do your “Homework” (it goes back beyond Cannon Laws) on Veiling and you’ll find out Much that you never knew before…

Then after you do the History of the Veiling…if you still don’t want to Veil…that’s up to you…but meanwhile stop stomping your feet and waving the “It’s not in Cannon Law” flag. As I said, there are a lot of things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Law. Why aren’t you stomping your feet at them?
 
You know people will use an excuses to not go by traditions, law or moral attitudes just to say its not so. If it does not say in canon law word for word about a veil, or head covering, then it does not exist. Will is certain parts of canon law,it points back to the old law, it does not abolish it nor does it enforce it, it mere states that it still in effects, unless it comes right out word for word about certain part of the canon law that it is still en affect. CHRISTIAN FAMILY OUTREACH.COM DON’T TRY TO READ WORDS IN IT, BUT READ WORD FOR WORD, AND MAYBE YOU WILL GET UNDERSTANDING, AN IT WILL ENLIGHTEN YOU WORLD
 
Fidelia said:
This is a good thread. I have recently begun to think that it is a very nice tradition, once I undertood the ideas more. But I do also tend to think that wearing it when it’s not the norm, might be counter intuitive in a way, if it makes you stand out. Same point about it being pretty also. But still, I think it is a very nice tradition. I think I would like to if it was the norm.
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Fidelia,

It is a very nice tradition and one that use to be the Norm. I had to smile when you said when it’s not the norm, might be counter intuitive in a way, if it makes you stand out.

This is just a thought for you to consider…mind you I said just to consider.

As Catholics we do things in our private and public lifes that might/could make us stand out. Should we therefor not do these things because we might not be in the “Norm”? Or should we stand proud of the fact that we are indeed Catholic…and follow our Lords teachings? St. Paul taught us that Women should have their heads covered in the precense of our Lord and also during prayer. So because we are embaressed or it’s not in the Norm, should we stay away from it?

Sometimes we as Catholics have to stand up for our traditions that have been passed down to us for over 2,000 years. Yes in both the written word of God, the Bible, and also a tradition the church has had.

When our Lord returns I pray, (if I’m still alive when it happens) that He will find me wearing my Veil and my brown scapular.

So what if anyone else looks at you, sometimes we have to be the seed to get things going back in the right direction.

I Was the only one in my Church wearing a Veil, (you can use a scarf too) and now a couple of other ladies are wearing scarfs or hats. No one ever made comments to me about why I am Veiling and yet two more women have started to Veil. (or wear a head covering)

In this season of Lent, I believe it’s important that we Veil, in honor to our Lord. What do I care what others think? It’s for Him that I do it.
 
I study canon law, an i have to tell you, that it does not say about head covering, but the canon law says that the old law is still in place until the canon law actually comes right out and says word for word about head covering. The old law is still in place, but not enforce, it is sad the faithful is telling the church how to worship, in stead the church tell the faithful how to worship.
 
mdbaker46 said:
I study canon law, an i have to tell you, that it does not say about head covering, but the canon law says that the old law is still in place until the canon law actually comes right out and says word for word about head covering. The old law is still in place, but not enforce, it is sad the faithful is telling the church how to worship, in stead the church tell the faithful how to worship.
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You still haven’t quoted this page 8 you said the rquirement is on… Why not?
 
Adelore: Ahh…here we go again about the Veil.

It doesn’t seem to matter how much a person/people point out the value/blessing a woman gets for wearing the Veil/headcovering. There is sure to be a “good Catholic” out there who is quick to point out it’s not in Cannon Law.

I’ve never seen anyone discouraging a woman to veil in this forum. However there are many who want to make others believe that it is still required by the Church, and it isn’t. And plenty of women who cover don’t feel that they get any particular “value/blessing” out of it. It’s not some mystical thing that will elevate all who do so to new levels of piety. :cool:

I asked on the last thread about Veiling and None of the “good Cahtolics” that have pointed out the Cannon Law (more than I care to remember) has Ever shown me yet, Why the Pope requires ALL women who go to visit him to be Veiled. Please show me where this is in Cannon Law! And yet several Women (even those who are not Catholics) who have gone to visit the Pope all wear a Veil when seeing him.

It is no longer a requirement that women cover their head during a private audience with the Holy Father. Traditionally they would wear a black dress with a black veil, and men would wear a morning coat. It’s a custom that they may still follow, but no longer a requirement.

My question to the “good Catholics” who are so Stuck…on…if it’s Not in the Cannon Law, then we Don’t have to do it.…is this… “Are you sure everything you do as a Catholic is in Cannon Law”. Hint: some things we do as Catholics are Not in the Cannon Law, yet they are traditions.

Again, I’ve never seen anyone argue that headcovering isn’t traditional and that women who are moved to do so shouldn’t do so. There’s certainly nothing in the current Code of Canon Law that forbids headcovering. But a woman must not feel pressured to do something that the Church no longer requires.

So to stomp your feet, so to speak, and say “Well it’s not in the Cannon Law, I don’t have to do it.” Is plain and simple…laughable. There are many things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Laws!

So …take a deep breath…and if nothing else…really look into the subject on what it’s all about.

Veiling is Not about Cannon Law. Period! Do your “Homework” (it goes back beyond Cannon Laws) on Veiling and you’ll find out Much that you never knew before…

Then after you do the History of the Veiling…if you still don’t want to Veil…that’s up to you…but meanwhile stop stomping your feet and waving the “It’s not in Cannon Law” flag. As I said, there are a lot of things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Law. Why aren’t you stomping your feet at them?

Why do you keep acting as if pointing out that something isn’t a requirement under Canon Law is “stomping your feet”?? It’s simply a fact. My FSSP priests, who encourage veiling because of history and tradition, don’t make a big issue of it, and if you ask them if it’s required they’ll state clearly that it’s no longer a requirement.
 
tcraig said:
Adelore: Ahh…here we go again about the Veil.

It doesn’t seem to matter how much a person/people point out the value/blessing a woman gets for wearing the Veil/headcovering. There is sure to be a “good Catholic” out there who is quick to point out it’s not in Cannon Law.

I’ve never seen anyone discouraging a woman to veil in this forum. However there are many who want to make others believe that it is still required by the Church, and it isn’t. And plenty of women who cover don’t feel that they get any particular “value/blessing” out of it. It’s not some mystical thing that will elevate all who do so to new levels of piety. :cool:

I asked on the last thread about Veiling and None of the “good Cahtolics” that have pointed out the Cannon Law (more than I care to remember) has Ever shown me yet, Why the Pope requires ALL women who go to visit him to be Veiled. Please show me where this is in Cannon Law! And yet several Women (even those who are not Catholics) who have gone to visit the Pope all wear a Veil when seeing him.

It is no longer a requirement that women cover their head during a private audience with the Holy Father. Traditionally they would wear a black dress with a black veil, and men would wear a morning coat. It’s a custom that they may still follow, but no longer a requirement.

My question to the “good Catholics” who are so Stuck…on…if it’s Not in the Cannon Law, then we Don’t have to do it.…is this… “Are you sure everything you do as a Catholic is in Cannon Law”. Hint: some things we do as Catholics are Not in the Cannon Law, yet they are traditions.

Again, I’ve never seen anyone argue that headcovering isn’t traditional and that women who are moved to do so shouldn’t do so. There’s certainly nothing in the current Code of Canon Law that forbids headcovering. But a woman must not feel pressured to do something that the Church no longer requires.

So to stomp your feet, so to speak, and say “Well it’s not in the Cannon Law, I don’t have to do it.” Is plain and simple…laughable. There are many things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Laws!

So …take a deep breath…and if nothing else…really look into the subject on what it’s all about.

Veiling is Not about Cannon Law. Period! Do your “Homework” (it goes back beyond Cannon Laws) on Veiling and you’ll find out Much that you never knew before…

Then after you do the History of the Veiling…if you still don’t want to Veil…that’s up to you…but meanwhile stop stomping your feet and waving the “It’s not in Cannon Law” flag. As I said, there are a lot of things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Law. Why aren’t you stomping your feet at them?

Why do you keep acting as if pointing out that something isn’t a requirement under Canon Law is “stomping your feet”?? It’s simply a fact. My FSSP priests, who encourage veiling because of history and tradition, don’t make a big issue of it, and if you ask them if it’s required they’ll state clearly that it’s no longer a requirement.
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Sounds common sense to me.👍
 
mdbaker46 said:
I study canon law, an i have to tell you, that it does not say about head covering, but the canon law says that the old law is still in place until the canon law actually comes right out and says word for word about head covering. The old law is still in place, but not enforce, it is sad the faithful is telling the church how to worship, in stead the church tell the faithful how to worship.
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I too have studied canon law, but I don’t rely on my interpretation from my own low-level study. I have not heard a single practicing canon lawyer agree with the interpretation that there is any longer a requirement. One can certainly find plenty of traditionalist websites, some in communion with the Church and some not, who will claim that the requirement exists but I have not seen a canon lawyer represented among the lot of them. The opinion you’re presenting pretty much sounds like your “study” of canon law comes from “Lumengentleman” or one of the similar sites.

And adelore, I’m not stomping my feet in any way nor do I oppose headcoverings. I totally admire the use of the veil and find it a very honorable tradition. It does get tiring though to hear people continually misrepresent a “requirement” for them. Clarifying the record on the “requirements” does not in any way correlate to being opposed to their use.

Peace,
 
paperwight said:
Thank you for your honesty!

But I’m still a bit bothered. There seems to be two things going on here.
One group wants to veil because they see it as pretty and feminine and dressing in a special way for church. Nothing wrong with that.

But I see another group advocating veils on the grounds that they are modest, traditional, nunlike, show devotion, humilty and obedience…

A huge mismatch!
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I see it as the first way. Veils, to me at least, are not modest, nunlike or humble, and truly I’m not sure that a pretty veil indicates any kind of humility or obedience, as for devotion that may be the intent of some of the wearers so it’s not something I would know about as far as each individual is concerned, and they are traditional, they must be because I’ve seen photos of women at Mass from various periods and there’s always a few sprinkled into the mix of ladies.
Here’s my position, I will wear a veil if I want to, but I won’t chastise another woman who doesn’t want to because her decisions are none of my business, and since I can’t read her heart I don’t know her motives should she elect to wear one.
FTR, I don’t own a veil but this thread reminded me of them and I might get one now, but it’s purely a fashion decision.
This presents a dilemma, I want the veil but I don’t want folks to think that “I” think that I’m being holy or anything like that!
 
lizaanne said:
I really enjoyed this homily! Thank you for posting this site, I’ve added it to my bookmark file for Church Stuff! 👍

~Liza
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You’re welcome! I have always enjoyed the talks there and below, and found much priceless spiritual knowledge and help. 🙂
 
Cracker_Mom said:
All my old veils have fallen apart (used to belong to my mom) & the few I see for sale look tacky & stiff.
Is there a source for the better quality ones we used to have?
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How about a hat instead? Not the “Queen Elizabeth” type, but more of the kind those classy Southern women wear to the Derby!
 
adelore said:
Ahh…here we go again about the Veil.

It doesn’t seem to matter how much a person/people point out the value/blessing a woman gets for wearing the Veil/headcovering. There is sure to be a “good Catholic” out there who is quick to point out it’s not in Cannon Law.

I asked on the last thread about Veiling and None of the “good Cahtolics” that have pointed out the Cannon Law (more than I care to remember) has Ever shown me yet, Why the Pope requires ALL women who go to visit him to be Veiled. Please show me where this is in Cannon Law! And yet several Women (even those who are not Catholics) who have gone to visit the Pope all wear a Veil when seeing him.

My question to the “good Catholics” who are so Stuck…on…if it’s Not in the Cannon Law, then we Don’t have to do it.…is this… “Are you sure everything you do as a Catholic is in Cannon Law”. Hint: some things we do as Catholics are Not in the Cannon Law, yet they are traditions.

So to stomp your feet, so to speak, and say “Well it’s not in the Cannon Law, I don’t have to do it.” Is plain and simple…laughable. There are many things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Laws!

So …take a deep breath…and if nothing else…really look into the subject on what it’s all about.

Veiling is Not about Cannon Law. Period! Do your “Homework” (it goes back beyond Cannon Laws) on Veiling and you’ll find out Much that you never knew before…

Then after you do the History of the Veiling…if you still don’t want to Veil…that’s up to you…but meanwhile stop stomping your feet and waving the “It’s not in Cannon Law” flag. As I said, there are a lot of things we do as Catholics that are Not in the Cannon Law. Why aren’t you stomping your feet at them?
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I’m not sure who your comment is directed towards but I haven’t read anything that would be the written equivalent of foot stomping or waving.
There seems to be a couple of folks who are passionate about wearing the veils and a few like myself who are indifferent about the issue, but, on the whole, I think that people have expressed their views politely.
As far as Canon Law goes, this is not an issue of such extreme importance in my opinion.
 
TracyJ said:
On one hand I think that it’s a beautiful custom, on the other hand, you have to worry about the sin of vanity…I mean, the veil is so pretty and it flatters the face.
To me, wearing a head covering connotes respect, but things can get sticky when the head covering is so attractive.
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It’s a nice lace veil over an aging woman’s head. Trust me, there is no vanity here… 😉
 
TracyJ said:
I’m not sure who your comment is directed towards but I haven’t read anything that would be the written equivalent of foot stomping or waving.
There seems to be a couple of folks who are passionate about wearing the veils and a few like myself who are indifferent about the issue, but, on the whole, I think that people have expressed their views politely.
As far as Canon Law goes, this is not an issue of such extreme importance in my opinion.
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Would you say that the HOLY SCRIPTURES dictates what is law,or required for woman to show humility when worshiping the Lord, check out 1 Cor 11: 5
 
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