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I didn’t say working out was a sign of vanity. I’m talking about wearing tight clothes around town to prove you’re in shape.No, it’s not.
It’s a sign that you take care of yourself.
I didn’t say working out was a sign of vanity. I’m talking about wearing tight clothes around town to prove you’re in shape.No, it’s not.
It’s a sign that you take care of yourself.
Hey, that was only one case! How can you say “many cases”?Yet Catholic men will not support or in many cases even consider extending the same courtesy to women and gay men who struggle with chastity and custody of the eyes.
Because I hear over and over from men (and some women) on these forums that it doesn’t matter what men wear, tight pants, shirtless, etc., but women need to be covered practically head to toe in loose clothing so that heterosexual men don’t have to worry about lust. Women on these forums have admitted that they lust over muscular men in tight shirts. Personally, in the past I have lusted over men with nice backsides in tight pants and still find it to be a distraction. We expect men who struggle with same-sex attraction to be chastity supermen- they have no morally acceptable outlet for their sexuality, yet they still struggle with the same hair-trigger sexual reaction to visual stimuli that straight men do, only their stimuli is other men. Yet the struggles of women and gay men to keep custody of their eyes are routinely ignored, while women are flamed for wearing skirts that show their kneecaps or tops that show their elbows or collarbones, for not covering their hair in church or for wearing open-toed shoes, for wearing trousers, or for wearing even a standard tank suit at a swimming pool (or for even going to the pool in the first place).Hey, that was only one case! How can you say “many cases”?
Frankly, even I get tempted at times to show off my muscles but I’m convinced it’s kinda wrong so I don’t do it. The most important muscle is the one inside your skull and that matters most to many girls I guess!![]()
I agree.Heh…personally, as a female, muscles have never been a turn on for me. The only muscle that interests me is the brain.![]()
Alas. But they are substantially different situations, which could be verified at any neighborhood swimming pool.Ah, I love double standards. A woman with a good figure would be told just the opposite because men don’t want to have to avert their eyes and struggle with temptation. Yet Catholic men will not support or in many cases even consider extending the same courtesy to women and gay men who struggle with chastity and custody of the eyes. They can’t conceive of being the victims of lustful ogling, nor can they imagine being responsible for presenting temptation to sin to others.
Yep, it’s a man’s world.
I wasn’t joking.This is not a humorous issue for me, nor is it for many others. How nice that you can make a joke out of something that others take so seriously.
I always get frustrated when I hear people ‘globalize’ in making a statement. Your statement encompasses ‘all Catholic men’ which is a huge miss-statement! You need to keep in mind that just like ‘some’ women have lost touch with a sense of decency, so it is with ‘some’ men. The man who started this thread seems to be ‘working’ on his conscience, by consulting a priest in the first place. Good for him!!! You need to keep in mind that other men who ‘seem’ to think it is OK to ‘tempt’ women have little or no conscience, probably due to a sinful lifestyle, as Fr Corapi describes. So please don’t assume that ALL of us men are so insensitive. There is only one truth. Morality applies to EVERYONE!Ah, I love double standards. A woman with a good figure would be told just the opposite because men don’t want to have to avert their eyes and struggle with temptation. Yet Catholic men will not support or in many cases even consider extending the same courtesy to women and gay men who struggle with chastity and custody of the eyes. They can’t conceive of being the victims of lustful ogling, nor can they imagine being responsible for presenting temptation to sin to others.
Yep, it’s a man’s world.
How so? Give me specifics because I’m not seeing the difference. Wearing clothes that show off your body for the purpose of sexually attracting others is what it is, whether the wearer is male or female. Why is this so hard for men to understand?Alas. But they are substantially different situations, which could be verified at any neighborhood swimming pool.
The problem is not in wearing clothing for the purpose of sexually attracting others but in the means one uses to create the sexual attraction. At the swimming pool it is modest for a man to go without a shirt at all, not so for a woman.A man wearing a tight shirt has a different meaning than a woman because of the body parts covered. A clothed person with his sexual areas reasonably modestly covered - of either sex - cannot be held responsible for the dirty thoughts of others. They need to take responsibility themselves.How so? Give me specifics because I’m not seeing the difference. Wearing clothes that show off your body for the purpose of sexually attracting others is what it is, whether the wearer is male or female. Why is this so hard for men to understand?
And if you’re a woman with G-cup breasts, any shirt is going to fit more tightly than it would on an average-sized woman. Standard clothing patterns are sized for B-cup breasts. It doesn’t mean that we larger women are trying to show off, just that we don’t want to wear tents that make the rest of our bodies look larger than they really are so we make do with what we can find. I would hope that we would not be accused of being immodest, but I often find that this is not the case- that we are accused of immodesty simply because we are well-endowed. Another double standard, I guess..A man wearing a tight shirt has a different meaning than a woman because of the body parts covered.
And look at it this way - if you’re a male and have 18" upper arms and a 17-1/2" neck, any shirt you get to fit you is going to strain at the arms and chest. Surely you are not suggesting that a guy in great shape is inherently immodest?
Maybe they’re accused, but not by me. Again, we’re not Puritans or Amish or Muslims here. There is obviously a question of intent as well as attire, but as a rule people need to take custody of their own thoughts if they’re having problems with a built guy in a shirt! :banghead:And if you’re a woman with G-cup breasts, any shirt is going to fit more tightly than it would on an average-sized woman. Standard clothing patterns are sized for B-cup breasts. It doesn’t mean that we larger women are trying to show off, just that we don’t want to wear tents that make the rest of our bodies look larger than they really are so we make do with what we can find. I would hope that we would not be accused of being immodest, but I often find that this is not the case- that we are accused of immodesty simply because we are well-endowed. Another double standard, I guess.
See, I agree with you completely. Many do not.Maybe they’re accused, but not by me. Again, we’re not Puritans or Amish or Muslims here. There is obviously a question of intent as well as attire, but as a rule people need to take custody of their own thoughts if they’re having problems with a built guy in a shirt! :banghead:
Gotta love convergence!See, I agree with you completely. Many do not.