Looks like a polish Christopher West, to me… TOB is referenced. TOB was written by one of those Polish priests, too, you know.I wonder whether any of you have visited this website “Divine Sex” which was highlighted by Yahoo some weeks back.The contents are indeed illuminating and there is comprehensive coverage with vivid details.It is also cliamed that this Website has the approval of the Catholic Church.Can someone enlighten me.
I did find the Yahoo news story, but there was no link to the website.szansaspotkania.net/index.php?page=6873Can you post a link? Because the things that are coming up when I search those terms are not places I want to go…
Boy, I don’t know . . . .would be very interested in others’ comments. I feel like I need to confess just *reading *this, let alone thinking of my wife or our relationship in these terms. So much focus on pleasure, doesn’t seem right somehow. (And yes, I’ve read West, and am not sure about him either.)
I don’t see anything here that seems out of step with JP II’s TOB discussion. Sex IS meant to be mutually pleasurable within the proper context.
As most know I recommend West’s books. I find some of his talks over the top and personal refections hard to accept. I’m not saying he’s wrong. I just don’t follow the logic sometimes.
See, that’s what happened to me, too. I’m almost as old as dirt, and I can tell you that what I read on that site – however much it may echo and reflect what some in today’s Church are teaching – would have been the very definition of the “unbridled passion” moral theologians in the 1960’s condemned and characterized as sinful. Or, maybe I’m just jealous that my Church didn’t affirm as a moral good this kind of marital relationship back when I was a newlywed – instead of the fear and shame that was in vogue “back in the day.”I don’t really get feeling like one needs to “confess” viewing that site… there was nothing I saw that even approached sinful. I suppose if one found oneself sexually aroused by how direct the site is, and continued to go back a read again, then that could be a near occasion of sin? I’m pretty sure you were joking, though, right?
I actually liked the site! After reading some of the other responses, I feel a little, I don’t know, wrong for liking it. I read the whole site, and thought it was very in line with TOB.
He was descriptive, true, but is that wrong? I think that he gave good, practical information that a lot of Catholics could really use. Also, in my reading of it anyway, the “pleasure” he focused on was always MUTUAL, self-giving, pleasure. Which I believe does please God. He made it clear what the Church teaches regarding what is permitted during sex and what is not.
And I thought the whole part about the woman’s body accepting and embracing the man’s body was beautiful and romantic and true. Now I feel a little… guilty or something for feeling that way!
I guess I don’t see what’s wrong with unbridled passion toward one’s spouse as long as that couple has a clear understanding of what sex was created as by God. I have tons of passion for my husband, but that doesn’t mean we would ever go against any of the Church’s teachings on sexuality. I think that real passion comes from understanding the Church’s teachings on sex. Am I alone in this?
or something.Nothing wrong here at all. And you are not alone. There are some that don’t see these things as they are, but rather through the old perspective of “if it feels good it must be bad.”
Excellent idea! I know Mary Beth Bonacci writes about TOB concepts but she is single. (I love her books by the way!)For starters, I do LOVE the fact that more people are exploring the spiritual side of marital sex. It’s refreshing and past due:thumbsup:
I don’t see anything wrong with the site, but it leaves a lot out, which is fine…I dunno, I’d kinda like to see more TOB stuff written from a woman’s point of view, because both this guy and CW talk a lot about how to ummm…not leave the woman out if you get my meaning…but honestly…what they describe sounds like guys who kinda don’t know what they are doing:shrug:
All I’m sayin is…for anyone who is inexperienced in this area they might get some wrong ideas or preconceived notions about women and the pleasure aspect.
Bottom line, man and wife should both be concerned with the other first, and be willing to learn about each other and what makes them ‘tick’.
And for the unbridled passion thing…if not in the marriage bed then where? Actually TOB can be kinda lacking in the passion area I think…too mechanical sometimes, But like I said, it’s a male perspective, and men tend to be more mechanical and literal in thinking. I can say as a woman, without some passion, all the moves in the world amount to squat. Unbridled passion is where it’s at
Actually JP II started his TOB work in the 50s. Of course it wasn’t well known even in the 60’s or 70’s. It’s hard to get accepted some places, even today. It is a ‘new’ concept.