Wedding on the beach?

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Joe_Kelley said:
Note that marriage between a Catholic and a non-baptized party is not a sacrament, and would not usually involve a mass. Since no sacrament is involved, it need not be in a church.
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I would agree with that line of thought. The Marriage in that case is invalid anyway unless the Bishops dispensation is obtained. The Bishop can permit the wedding to take place anywhere.
 
Too many rules!!! I can see how you rather intelligent folks can understand and comprehend things like this. But people as a general rule are not all that bright to understand the nuances of canon law. Most can’t even do their own taxes. All of us are pretty under-educated in our faith.

In my case, no one in my wife’s family gets along; we didn’t think getting them in one room together would be a good idea. I didn’t know about all these ‘rules’ and such…we did pre-cana cause we knew we had to do that, but nothing was said to us regarding marriage venues. I wasn’t ‘hardcore’ catholic back then, but knew about getting a marriage ‘blessed’. So we told the priest our situation, said he understood, and we got married via a justice of peace in the Virgin Islands. It was a great experience, we will always remember and treasure those moments. We did live as man and wife after the ceremony, and therefore were sinning, but we didn’t know. We had our marriage ‘convalidated’ when we got back. I don’t think we even went to confession beforehand. Didn’t think/know it was a mortal sin (we were both were cradle catholics). We later have come back to the church, trying our best to live by her teachings, even though we don’t agree with all of them.

My point is, with all the black and white rules, where’s the compassion? The above poster made some nice points about venues and has me thinking…
 
puzzleannie said:
also note that most of this discussion ignores the key point, which is that this couple plans to enter into an invalid marriage from the get go, no matter where they do it, and urgently need and deserve pastoral counseling for a clear understanding of the meaning and demands of Christian marriage, and of the law binding on Catholics.
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It’s very confusing to the laity when priests can’t even agree on this. I’ve run into couples who want to go away to the sunny beaches to get married. We jump trough all kinds of hoops to make sure that their marriage will be valid but I’ve had situations where the priest and even the VG has said, “Tell them to go get married and come back for a convalidation.”
 
ForwardProgress said:
Too many rules!!! I can see how you rather intelligent folks can understand and comprehend things like this. But people as a general rule are not all that bright to understand the nuances of canon law. Most can’t even do their own taxes. All of us are pretty under-educated in our faith.

In my case, no one in my wife’s family gets along; we didn’t think getting them in one room together would be a good idea. I didn’t know about all these ‘rules’ and such…we did pre-cana cause we knew we had to do that, but nothing was said to us regarding marriage venues. I wasn’t ‘hardcore’ catholic back then, but knew about getting a marriage ‘blessed’. So we told the priest our situation, said he understood, and we got married via a justice of peace in the Virgin Islands. It was a great experience, we will always remember and treasure those moments. We did live as man and wife after the ceremony, and therefore were sinning, but we didn’t know. We had our marriage ‘convalidated’ when we got back. I don’t think we even went to confession beforehand. Didn’t think/know it was a mortal sin (we were both were cradle catholics). We later have come back to the church, trying our best to live by her teachings, even though we don’t agree with all of them.

My point is, with all the black and white rules, where’s the compassion? The above poster made some nice points about venues and has me thinking…
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The compassion is that no matter how much we break the rules we can always repent and behave like Christ asks us to do.
 
ForwardProgress said:
Too many rules!!! I can see how you rather intelligent folks can understand and comprehend things like this. But people as a general rule are not all that bright to understand the nuances of canon law. Most can’t even do their own taxes. All of us are pretty under-educated in our faith.

In my case, no one in my wife’s family gets along; we didn’t think getting them in one room together would be a good idea. I didn’t know about all these ‘rules’ and such…we did pre-cana cause we knew we had to do that, but nothing was said to us regarding marriage venues. I wasn’t ‘hardcore’ catholic back then, but knew about getting a marriage ‘blessed’. So we told the priest our situation, said he understood, and we got married via a justice of peace in the Virgin Islands. It was a great experience, we will always remember and treasure those moments. We did live as man and wife after the ceremony, and therefore were sinning, but we didn’t know. We had our marriage ‘convalidated’ when we got back. I don’t think we even went to confession beforehand. Didn’t think/know it was a mortal sin (we were both were cradle catholics). We later have come back to the church, trying our best to live by her teachings, even though we don’t agree with all of them.

My point is, with all the black and white rules, where’s the compassion? The above poster made some nice points about venues and has me thinking…
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The problem is people don’t know or understand the Catholic Faith. This is because of the very poor catechesis of the last 40 years. If people understood the teachings of the Church about the Sacrament of Marriage they would get it. They do not need to fully understand every iota of Canon Law. If they just ask the right people they will carefully explain it to them. The Preparation for Marriage is also supposed to be a Catechetical process, IT’S NOT in most parishes. Many time the people conducting the preparation have not been trained Catechists, either don’t accept the Church teaching on many related topics, or don’t know it themselves.

Hence we have what we have.
 
ForwardProgress said:
Too many rules!!! I can see how you rather intelligent folks can understand and comprehend things like this. But people as a general rule are not all that bright to understand the nuances of canon law. Most can’t even do their own taxes. All of us are pretty under-educated in our faith.

In my case, no one in my wife’s family gets along; we didn’t think getting them in one room together would be a good idea. I didn’t know about all these ‘rules’ and such…we did pre-cana cause we knew we had to do that, but nothing was said to us regarding marriage venues. I wasn’t ‘hardcore’ catholic back then, but knew about getting a marriage ‘blessed’. So we told the priest our situation, said he understood, and we got married via a justice of peace in the Virgin Islands. It was a great experience, we will always remember and treasure those moments. We did live as man and wife after the ceremony, and therefore were sinning, but we didn’t know. We had our marriage ‘convalidated’ when we got back. I don’t think we even went to confession beforehand. Didn’t think/know it was a mortal sin (we were both were cradle catholics). We later have come back to the church, trying our best to live by her teachings, even though we don’t agree with all of them.

My point is, with all the black and white rules, where’s the compassion? The above poster made some nice points about venues and has me thinking…
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If you think the church has rules, maybe you haven’t been to a civil or criminal courthouse. The rules aka laws are the laws and even if you are not aware of them, you can be prosecuted if you break the rules/laws. The church has canon law…ask a typical law student how many laws there are??
 
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