Weep for slaughtered Christians, not for dialogue with Islam

[Brendan_64]

Let’s say that the U.S. decided to quit being the World’s superpower “police force”.

Would you be more comfortable with Russia or China taking over the job?

Why does the world need one single ‘policeman’? And what ‘law’ is this ‘policeman’ to enforce? And is this ‘policing’ to be done by consent?

Yes the US has a role to play, but let’s not kid ourselves that the US acts out of predominantly altruistic motives rather than self interest. The US has the military capability to do this, where many of her ‘allies’ do not.

Yes, I do think the USA is right to engage in air-strike right now, but if it US interests were not being threatened the US would not be engaging in this action.

And let’s not forget that the previous Gulf War was not approved of by most of the Us’s allies of the international community, so the US cannot claim to have been acting as the world’s ‘policeman’ then.

It’s not as simple as viewing the US as being the world’s ‘policeman’ who acts to sort out the world’s problems. Much of the world (including her allies at times) views the USA as being a significant contributor to many of the world’s problems.

In the end countries, including the USA, act to protect their own interests through using what resources and capabilities they have at their disposal. The USA is no different than other nations in that regard.

Would I rather have a world dominated by Russia or China than by the USA? Absolutely not. But do I think the USA is motivated by a desire to make the world a better place? No.I’d view the USA as most definitely being the lesser of three evils when compared to Russia or China.

I also think that (unlike the previous Gulf wars) what the USA is doing in Iraq right now is correct.

 

[decatholic]

Let’s say that the U.S. decided to quit being the World’s superpower “police force”.

Would you be more comfortable with Russia or China taking over the job?

Touché Nicely stated and simply put!

Arguments (whining why we always have to solve the worlds problems) as to why others aren’t doing something are useless and meant to deflect. It’s an Alinksy move.

If your house is on fire, you die when you complain that your “neighbors” aren’t doing anything.

 

[mikekle]

Why does the world need one single ‘policeman’? And what ‘law’ is this ‘policeman’ to enforce? And is this ‘policing’ to be done by consent?

Yes the US has a role to play, but let’s not kid ourselves that the US acts out of predominantly altruistic motives rather than self interest. The US has the military capability to do this, where many of her ‘allies’ do not.

Yes, I do think the USA is right to engage in air-strike right now, but if it US interests were not being threatened the US would not be engaging in this action.

And let’s not forget that the previous Gulf War was not approved of by most of the Us’s allies of the international community, so the US cannot claim to have been acting as the world’s ‘policeman’ then.

It’s not as simple as viewing the US as being the world’s ‘policeman’ who acts to sort out the world’s problems. Much of the world (including her allies at times) views the USA as being a significant contributor to many of the world’s problems.

In the end countries, including the USA, act to protect their own interests through using what resources and capabilities they have at their disposal. The USA is no different than other nations in that regard.

Would I rather have a world dominated by Russia or China than by the USA? Absolutely not. But do I think the USA is motivated by a desire to make the world a better place? No.I’d view the USA as most definitely being the lesser of three evils when compared to Russia or China.

I also think that (unlike the previous Gulf wars) what the USA is doing in Iraq right now is correct.

I think the US wishes the rest of the world live like people do here, they would prefer everyone on the planet to be as materialistic and shallow as possible, as long as they have money to spend, the US will take an interest in them! LOL

I agree, i dont think the planet needs a world police force either. We have enough problems at home, need to solve those first before trying to change the rest of the world, but the real agenda is not to help, the US ONLY cares about whats in it for them, oil and greed top this list.

I know some disagree, but Ive always thought the US is modern day Babylon, this is where alot of the immorality and evil originate from and spread to the rest of the world, like an evil flood of materialism and greed. If you look at the many bible verses that describe this new Babylon, the US fits 99.5% of them and no other country even comes close, so this tells me its the US, the only other explanation would be if some new nation came up near the end times that would surpass the US in the these regards, but I dont see that happening.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I think the US wishes the rest of the world live like people do here, they would prefer everyone on the planet to be as materialistic and shallow as possible, as long as they have money to spend, the US will take an interest in them! LOL

I agree, i dont think the planet needs a world police force either. We have enough problems at home, need to solve those first before trying to change the rest of the world, but the real agenda is not to help, the US ONLY cares about whats in it for them, oil and greed top this list.

I know some disagree, but Ive always thought the US is modern day Babylon, this is where alot of the immorality and evil originate from and spread to the rest of the world, like an evil flood of materialism and greed. If you look at the many bible verses that describe this new Babylon, the US fits 99.5% of them and no other country even comes close, so this tells me its the US, the only other explanation would be if some new nation came up near the end times that would surpass the US in the these regards, but I dont see that happening.

Wow! That is quite an anti-American rant.

The United States is a Christian nation. Yet we allow freedom of religion. Some governments are massacring Christians and others simply because they are Christians or others. Do you hold these governments above ours?

I think if you did a factual study of authentic history from the end of WWII up to today you will find a tremendous amount of world wide good provided by the U.S.

Back to my original question…IF the U.S. decided to quit being the World’s superpower “police force”. Would you be more comfortable with Russia or China taking over the job?

I am very interested in your answer.

 

[Brendan_64]

I think the US wishes the rest of the world live like people do here, they would prefer everyone on the planet to be as materialistic and shallow as possible, as long as they have money to spend, the US will take an interest in them! LOL

I agree, i dont think the planet needs a world police force either. We have enough problems at home, need to solve those first before trying to change the rest of the world, but the real agenda is not to help, the US ONLY cares about whats in it for them, oil and greed top this list.

I know some disagree, but Ive always thought the US is modern day Babylon, this is where alot of the immorality and evil originate from and spread to the rest of the world, like an evil flood of materialism and greed. If you look at the many bible verses that describe this new Babylon, the US fits 99.5% of them and no other country even comes close, so this tells me its the US, the only other explanation would be if some new nation came up near the end times that would surpass the US in the these regards, but I dont see that happening.

It’s also very easy to ignore the fact that the mess and power vacuum that the USA and Britain left in Iraq after removing Saddam Hussein (a secular dictator) and completely dismantling the Iraqi security infrastructure. Saddam Hussein was not a threat to our national security, he was not a religious ideologue, he was not behind anti-western state sponsored terrorism (unlike our ‘allies’ in Saudi Arabia), he did not support Al-Qaida, he didn’t even possess WMDs (let’s hope ISIS don’t ever get their hands on any WMDs).

If Saddam Hussein was still in power ISIS would not have been able to do what they are doing in Iraq. The world is a more dangerous place as a result of us removing Saddam Hussein and dismantling the military infrastructure in Iraq. The USA and Britain do have a responsibility to try to sort out this current mess.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Originally Posted by mikekle View Post
I think the US wishes the rest of the world live like people do here, they would prefer everyone on the planet to be as materialistic and shallow as possible, as long as they have money to spend, the US will take an interest in them! LOL

I agree, i dont think the planet needs a world police force either. We have enough problems at home, need to solve those first before trying to change the rest of the world, but the real agenda is not to help, the US ONLY cares about whats in it for them, oil and greed top this list.

I know some disagree, but Ive always thought the US is modern day Babylon, this is where alot of the immorality and evil originate from and spread to the rest of the world, like an evil flood of materialism and greed. If you look at the many bible verses that describe this new Babylon, the US fits 99.5% of them and no other country even comes close, so this tells me its the US, the only other explanation would be if some new nation came up near the end times that would surpass the US in the these regards, but I dont see that happening.

It’s also very easy to ignore the fact that the mess and power vacuum that the USA and Britain left in Iraq after removing Saddam Hussein (a secular dictator) and completely dismantling the Iraqi security infrastructure. Saddam Hussein was not a threat to our national security, he was not a religious ideologue, he was not behind anti-western state sponsored terrorism (unlike our ‘allies’ in Saudi Arabia), he did not support Al-Qaida, he didn’t even possess WMDs (let’s hope ISIS don’t ever get their hands on any WMDs).

If Saddam Hussein was still in power ISIS would not have been able to do what they are doing in Iraq. The world is a more dangerous place as a result of us removing Saddam Hussein and dismantling the military infrastructure in Iraq. The USA and Britain do have a responsibility to try to sort out this current mess.

Come on you guys…

is it not about time you stopped blaming George Bush, our economic superiority, our moral standards, out way of life and our culture and faced international FACTS.

There are EVIL people killing Christians and be-heading Americans. I don’t like that…do you?

Are you going to excuse this behavior because you don’t agree with what happened a few years ago?

When are you going to wake up…there is a political ideology out there masquerading as a religion that wants us (Christians/ Americans/ anything “western”) DEAD.

Stop playing into their hands.

 

[Brendan_64]

Come on you guys…

is it not about time you stopped blaming George Bush, our economic superiority, our moral standards, out way of life and our culture and faced international FACTS.

I’m not doing anything of the sort. How have I brought economic superiority into it. I haven’t even mentioned George Bush either. However to view this current situation as completely unrelated to our foolish action regarding the war against Saddam Hussein and our deliberate dismantling of the Iraqi military infrastructure really is naive. We do have a responsibility for creating the power vacuum that has enabled ISIS to thrive like this in Iraq. We therefore do have a responsibility to try to sort it out.

As to our ‘moral superiority’. We really have nothing to be proud of in that regard. The legal murder of millions of unborn children, hedonism, materialism and filth pumped at us through advertising and the media. We are a very decadent society where the worth of everything (even human beings) is based on its economic value and morality is based hedonism. I’m certainly not trying to compare us with the likes of ISIS, but are by no means a moral society, not at all.

There are EVIL people killing Christians and be-heading Americans. I don’t like that…do you?

Are you going to excuse this behavior because you don’t agree with what happened a few years ago?

Who is excusing any such behaviour? You seem to be jumping to prejudiced conclusions. Read my post. I have said that we have been responsible for creating the circumstances (through our past folly in removing Saddam Hussein) that have enabled ISIS to take control in Iraq, therefore we have a responsibility to try to soirt it oiut.

When are you going to wake up…there is a political ideology out there masquerading as a religion that wants us (Christians/ Americans/ anything “western”) DEAD.

Again, have I said anything to deny this? When are you going to wake up to the fact that our previous action in Iraq has led directly to what is happening now. Saddam Hussein did not have an ideology that wanted us dead, he was not a direct threat to us, he was actually a ‘relatively’ stable force in the region. Yet we went to war (unprovoked) destroyed him, dismantled the Iraqi military infrastructure leaving Iraq toothless, then pulled out leaving Iraq to the vicious Islamic wolves who want to destroy everything and everyone (us included) who does not hold with their extreme view.

Stop playing into their hands.

Who’s playing into their hands here? The US and Britain played right into the hands of Islamic extremists when they removed Saddam Hussein, left Iraq defenceless and then went home. This isn’t about ‘right/left’ politics.

You seem to take a view that either you support everything the US and Britain has done in Iraq or you are playing into the hands of ISIS. That is simply not so

Unfortunately we have now gotten ourselves into a position (through our horrendous blunders of the past Gulf wars) where we have enabled ISIS to have a vacuum they can fill. The past two Gulf Wars (particularly the last one) where in my opinion unjust wars. This time however we are in a different situation and I find myself in favour of some form of military action to try to stop this evil. Please read my posts properly before jumping to conclusions, I have already said that, in principle, I support the action taken so far by the US in this current conflict.

 

[Brendan_64]

And as Mikekle rightly says, it is about time we stopped assuming that the rest of the world all wants to live like we do. Our form of society is not an ideal that the rest of the world wishes to aspire to.

 

[drac16]

And if he didn’t convert, what would happen to him?

If I tell you, you won’t believe me. You’re not even trying to ask that question in light of the context I used it in.

I come into a thread to express remorse…and it turns into “let’s gang up on Drac”. I won’t play that game. You people accuse me of supporting the pigs of ISIS, but when I try to clarify, you want nothing of it. Shame on you.

 

[drac16]

If I cannot express sympathies without being harassed, I don’t want to come on here anymore…so this will be my last post. I hold no malice to anyone, but my feelings are definitely hurt. Bye.

 

[Brendan_64]

If I tell you, you won’t believe me. You’re not even trying to ask that question in light of the context I used it in.

I come into a thread to express remorse…and it turns into “let’s gang up on Drac”. I won’t play that game. You people accuse me of supporting the pigs of ISIS, but when I try to clarify, you want nothing of it. Shame on you.

Excuse me, but nobody has accused you of any such thing. Nor has anyone made any personal attacks on you. Nothing of the sort has happened on here.

And my question was asked in good faith. As were my questions concerning the nature of the Qu’ran (seen as the actual word of God) and how that squares with certain passages in the Qu’ran which, on the face of it, do actually seem to justify some of what ISIS are doing.

If you are upset then that is unfortunate, and it certainly wasn’t my intention (or as far as I can see, the intention of any other posters on here) but we are entitled to question and challenge religious views and what appears to be written in religious texts (the Qu’ran and Islam included).

May God bless you.

 

[Tigg]

Maybe not dialogue, but can we still pray for them? Look at this report and the incredible power of God.

One of the most dramatic developments is that many Muslims — including Shiites in Iran and Iraq — are seeing dreams and visions of Jesus and thus coming into churches explaining that they have already converted and now need a Bible and guidance on how to follow Jesus. This is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy of Joel, “in the last days, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days….And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.” (Joel 2:28-32).

muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/al-jazeerah-6-million-muslims-convert-to-christianity-in-africa-each-year/

If this is not a legitimate report (from 2007) someone please post to the contrary.

btw, we have priests from Nigeria in this diocese and have heard them testify as to conversions.