Weird songs at Mass

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What, does no one have Gregorian Chant at their Novus Ordo parish, and no Latin Either?! If not they are not in accordance with Vatican II,as it mandates the retention, promotion, and the utilization of both Gregorian Chant and Latin, and mandates the laity know both and how to say and sing each respectively, as well as being taught Latin as well. The banal, “On Eagles Wings” and “Gather us IN” were NEVER intended to be the hymns for masses(And frankly shouldn’t be! It is awful to hear these banal protestant hymns shoved up us Catholics, in an effort to protestantize and numb is to our Catholic Faith. Gregorian Chants such as Veni Creator Spiritus, Panis Angelorum, and Tantum Ergo, were just a few, that the congregration should be able to know to sing in Latin Gregorian Chant.
 
ravenonthecross said:
What, does no one have Gregorian Chant at their Novus Ordo parish, and no Latin Either?! If not they are not in accordance with Vatican II,as it mandates the retention, promotion, and the utilization of both Gregorian Chant and Latin, and mandates the laity know both and how to say and sing each respectively, as well as being taught Latin as well. The banal, “On Eagles Wings” and “Gather us IN” were NEVER intended to be the hymns for masses(And frankly shouldn’t be! It is awful to hear these banal protestant hymns shoved up us Catholics, in an effort to protestantize and numb is to our Catholic Faith. Gregorian Chants such as Veni Creator Spiritus, Panis Angelorum, and Tantum Ergo, were just a few, that the congregration should be able to know to sing in Latin Gregorian Chant.
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My parish sang Tantum Ergo on Holy Thursday in both Latin and English. They alternated the verses. The Latin verses got the congregation singing much more than the English verses.
 
Indyann said:
That song was on one of the Carey Landry “Hi God” albums back in the 70’s.

Ive got the joy, joy, joy, down in my heart,Where? down in my heart, Where? down in my heart. Where?
Down in my heart down in my heart today. And if the devil doesn’t like it he can sit on a tack
Ouch!
Sit on a tack
Ouch!
Sit on a tack
And if the devil doesn’t like it he can sit on a tack
Sit on a tack today!

Loved those “hi God” albums. They are still available (CD’s of course)
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This was one of the songs at my neice’s First Communion Mass. :eek: I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. 😦
 
lak611 said:
:eek: :eek: :eek: How is that related to the Blessed Sacrament?
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I don’t think it is. Another more appropriate one from “Hi God” would be “Do you love Jesus?”

Do you love Jesus? Yes I love Jesus

Do you really love Jesus? Yes I really love Jesus

Why do you love Jesus? Because He first loved me.

More verses, but I don’t remember the words.

I was a stay at home mom with 4 preschoolers and believe me, the “Hi God” albums were played daily. I used to know all the words and actions to every song!
 
Indyann said:
I don’t think it is. Another more appropriate one from “Hi God” would be “Do you love Jesus?”

Do you love Jesus? Yes I love Jesus

Do you really love Jesus? Yes I really love Jesus

Why do you love Jesus? Because He first loved me.

More verses, but I don’t remember the words.

I was a stay at home mom with 4 preschoolers and believe me, the “Hi God” albums were played daily. I used to know all the words and actions to every song!
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This has just caused a serious flashback to when my two girls were little and we had a “Children’s Liturgy of the Word” program, complete with arts and crafts to illustrate the day’s Gospel, accompanied by the “Hi God” songs.

At another local parish, the elderly organist would, with great relish, always launch into “It’s a Small World” as a postlude. And I do remember a nice instrumental “liturgical rumba” (never did find out the name of the tune) that was played at a Midnight Mass one Christmas.
 
lak611 said:
:eek: :eek: :eek: How is that related to the Blessed Sacrament?
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It’s related because the song is prepatory to receiving Jesus in the Eucharist for the first time. It (song) must be traditional because it is the foundation for the young ones in the Faith ahead of them.

The song of “sitting on a tack…” will NOT be around for generations; it does not instill spirituality and will be forgotten when the Mass is over. It is not something that the children will embrace and reflect upon as they advance in the Faith and in life.

Maybe such a song and its lyrics might be acceptable in a kindergarten classroom but for First Holy Communion?
 
ravenonthecross said:
What, does no one have Gregorian Chant at their Novus Ordo parish, and no Latin Either?! If not they are not in accordance with Vatican II,as it mandates the retention, promotion, and the utilization of both Gregorian Chant and Latin, and mandates the laity know both and how to say and sing each respectively, as well as being taught Latin as well. The banal, “On Eagles Wings” and “Gather us IN” were NEVER intended to be the hymns for masses(And frankly shouldn’t be! It is awful to hear these banal protestant hymns shoved up us Catholics, in an effort to protestantize and numb is to our Catholic Faith. Gregorian Chants such as Veni Creator Spiritus, Panis Angelorum, and Tantum Ergo, were just a few, that the congregation should be able to know to sing in Latin Gregorian Chant.
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Nope not one Mass in our Diocese.🤷
 
johnstown_johnn said:
The song of “sitting on a tack…” will NOT be around for generations; it does not instill spirituality and will be forgotten when the Mass is over. It is not something that the children will embrace and reflect upon as they advance in the Faith and in life.

Maybe such a song and its lyrics might be acceptable in a kindergarten classroom but for First Holy Communion?
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While I tend to agree about appropriateness of place, I don’t agree that the song does not instill spirituality and won’t stick with you or around for ages. Afterall, there are more than a few of us here who can’t get it out of our minds years later.
 
chicago said:
While I tend to agree about appropriateness of place, I don’t agree that the song does not instill spirituality and won’t stick with you or around for ages. Afterall, there are more than a few of us here who can’t get it out of our minds years later.
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There is always going to be some exceptions. I’ll check back with you in a year or two just for goodness’ sake.
 
johnstown_johnn said:
There is always going to be some exceptions. I’ll check back with you in a year or two just for goodness’ sake.
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Are you supposing I may forget it by then? Or that the many others who learned it as a child will have no recollection?

An interesting observation I read in Crisis about 10 years ago had to do with some now middle aged men sitting around on the porch reminiscing. What came back to them were the hymns of their youth, stuff like Landry, the St. Louis Jesuits, Haugen, and Haas. This music DOES have an impact on people’s life and find itself imprinting on hearts and minds.
 
chicago said:
Are you supposing I may forget it by then? Or that the many others who learned it as a child will have no recollection?

An interesting observation I read in Crisis about 10 years ago had to do with some now middle aged men sitting around on the porch reminiscing. What came back to them were the hymns of their youth, stuff like Landry, the St. Louis Jesuits, Haugen, and Haas. This music DOES have an impact on people’s life and find itself imprinting on hearts and minds.
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Do not wish to get involved in push-and-shove regarding appropriate music/lyrics for children’s First Holy Communion.

If you were the authority for selecting the hymns, well obviously, you will choose this type.

Were it myself…it would be 180 degrees in contrast.

Not going to engage on this particular segment any further.
 
johnstown_johnn said:
If you were the authority for selecting the hymns, well obviously, you will choose this type.
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Um, no. If you had read my post on the topic clearly, you would have seen that I agree that it is more appropriate for a kindergarten class than First Communion. Though, at the same time, I admitedly don’t know that “traditional” songs alone are appropriate or most memorable and spiritually enriching and must, therefore, be employed for the service. So while I wouldn’t choose that particular selection, I would not necessarily rule out something else from Landry in the service which was more fitting. Nor would I rule out something more traditional. It might be a mix or lean one way or another. I’d have to look at any number of factors in deciding upon the selections.

That said, I was merely asking for you to clarify what you meant by, “There is always going to be some exceptions. I’ll check back with you in a year or two just for goodness’ sake.”
 
smessner said:
Wow, I hadn’t thought about that one for ages. I still remember all three chords and probably all the verses.
From that same era, how 'bout “What so EVer you do to the least of my Bruh-uh-thers…” We sang that song every day at Communion time where I went to grade school. Back in the day when going to Catholic elementary school meant starting the day with going to Mass.
Ok, I’m showing my age…
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We must be about the same age, ‘cause I have those same terrible memories. Others: All you People, clap your hands!; Blowin’ in the wind; Kumbaya. We even sang Dust in the Wind!

You are lucky you don’t have the opportunity to remember They’ll Know WE ARe Christians. We are subjected to it on a regular basis. It’s not only terrible music, the poetry well, ISN’T.
 
DVina said:
We must be about the same age, ‘cause I have those same terrible memories. Others: All you People, clap your hands!; Blowin’ in the wind; Kumbaya. We even sang Dust in the Wind!

You are lucky you don’t have the opportunity to remember They’ll Know WE ARe Christians. We are subjected to it on a regular basis. It’s not only terrible music, the poetry well, ISN’T.
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We must have gone to the same parish! I remember Day By Day, Kumbaya (with hand signing), Dust in the Wind, accoustical Stair Way to Heaven, and They’ll Know We Are Christians. It’s not that these are terrible songs, it just that were played incessantly at every event. As though they didn’t know other songs. Aaargh!

Conversly, I recently attended our youth service this past Sunday, and the songs were fine (I recognized a few more “protestant” songs), but by golly they sang everything. And I mean everything. With hand gestures. There wasn’t an amen that wasn’t sung. The only thing not sung was the homily. I’m not a fuddy duddy, but loud doesn’t equal earnest. Sometimes it is just loud. One visiting lady was covering her ears. Yikes!! I’ll definitely go to an earlier service next time.😃
 
The Yellow Submarine also comes to mind. But what it has to do with God and the Church I have no idea.:eek:
 
johnstown_johnn said:
It’s related because the song is prepatory to receiving Jesus in the Eucharist for the first time. It (song) must be traditional because it is the foundation for the young ones in the Faith ahead of them.

The song of “sitting on a tack…” will NOT be around for generations; it does not instill spirituality and will be forgotten when the Mass is over. It is not something that the children will embrace and reflect upon as they advance in the Faith and in life.

Maybe such a song and its lyrics might be acceptable in a kindergarten classroom but for First Holy Communion?
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I think you misunderstood me. I do not approve of “Sit on a Tack” as a song for First Communion. I question how the priest or organist could allow such a song to be used in that instance. It has nothing to do with the Eucharist.
 
lak611 said:
I think you misunderstood me. I do not approve of “Sit on a Tack” as a song for First Communion. I question how the priest or organist could allow such a song to be used in that instance. It has nothing to do with the Eucharist.
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Sorry, I misread the notions you put forth. So then, we are in accord…that is always nice; adversity is lurking as well.

First Holy Communion is a day that lives in a child’s heart all the way to adulthood and beyond. There is no greater sacrament and over time one can grasp that he/she is in the persona company of Jesus Himself. We get to know Him through the Sacrament and His ways become a part of us.

The hymns are very special and they should be Catholic and the same the world over. We are one.
 
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