Went back to the Divine Liturgy

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I was Eastern Orthodox for the first 15 years of my life…The next 15 years or so no religion at all…Since 2004, I became a convert to the Catholic Church. Up until 8 months ago I enjoyed the Norvos Ordo Mass. I started having longings for a more “solemnly” celebrated mass. I guess you can say I missed the chanting, incense, lots of Church bells, the beauty of the Church, and so on from Eastern Orthodoxy. Last night I attended the Divine Liturgy of the Pre-Sanctified Gifts w/Annointing with Holy Oil in a Byzantine Catholic Church. I loved the reciting of the Psalms!!!

I did not realize that the priest can consecrate Holy Oil. In the Roman Rite, I believe it has to be done by a bishop, a la Chrism Mass.

I am so happy I came back to the Divine Liturgy. 👍

I thought I would share this with everyone…
 
GLORY TO GOD! Welcome back 👍

This was healing oil, not the Holy Chrism that the Patriarchs or Metropolitans consecrate used at Baptisms, Chrismations, and Holy Orders.

It is truly a beautiful service to withhold. The Holy Spirit is always awesome in his work, but that service is just mind boggleing. It is a long evening and worth every moment of it too. It ranks among my favorite - geeessss but then they are all my favorite 😃 I love this time of year. There is so much healing needed in this world, and what an awesome way to receive it.

Here are some ‘images of Holy Week’ that are online from our Church. Many have seen them, but if you havn’t I hope you enjoy them.
melkite.org/HolyWeek/Hweek.html
 
Welcome back!

Don’t forget about Pascha Matins and Divine Liturgy this weekend!!😃
 
Glory to God! It’s wonderful you took this step, especially for the Liturgies this week.

I feel blest that the Byzantine church I am sometimes able to attend will celebrate Great Week next week. So there’s a bit of oddness celebrating Christ is risen this Saturday night in my home parish, before embarking on Great Week with them. Since I have to travel a distance to the Divine Liturgy with them it’s doubly blest that I’m on spring break next week and have a free calendar. 🙂

When you are with your Latin Rite parish how much you bring in embracing your Eastern roots. Maybe you can encourage others to go with you for some “field trips” to your Byzantine Catholic Church. I frequently put this out to our inquirers and catechumens. None has taken me up on it yet… Our new bishop comes from a diocese with 9 ECCs so I’m looking forward to perhaps a bit higher profile of things Eastern here.

Have you written about your experience with reception into the Catholic Church, which apparently was in a Latin Rite parish? I don’t want to start anything negative. I’m just curious as part of the RCIA team in my parish how it progressed. It seems to frequently not go as it ought. Were you received in registered as an ECC or did they ignore this connection with your Orthodox Baptism and Chrismation?

I don’t know if Upstate NY is too far from Washington to make this plausible but the Orientale Lumen XIII Conference is coming up in Washington, June 15-18. olconference.com/OL_FutCon_OL_XIII I was at the San Diego OLC last year and would dearly love to go to this one.
 
Blessing the Oil of the Sick and Oil of the Catechumens is done by Priests in the Byzantine Tradition.

Confecting and blessing the Holy Chrism is a function of the Patriarch or equivalent; it’s a very complex recipe and ceremony.
 
jay29 said:
I was Eastern Orthodox for the first 15 years of my life…The next 15 years or so no religion at all…Since 2004, I became a convert to the Catholic Church. Up until 8 months ago I enjoyed the Norvos Ordo Mass. I started having longings for a more “solemnly” celebrated mass. I guess you can say I missed the chanting, incense, lots of Church bells, the beauty of the Church, and so on from Eastern Orthodoxy. Last night I attended the Divine Liturgy of the Pre-Sanctified Gifts w/Annointing with Holy Oil in a Byzantine Catholic Church. I loved the reciting of the Psalms!!!

I did not realize that the priest can consecrate Holy Oil. In the Roman Rite, I believe it has to be done by a bishop, a la Chrism Mass.

I am so happy I came back to the Divine Liturgy. 👍

I thought I would share this with everyone…
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Jay, have you ever attended a traditional Latin Solemn High Mass? 🙂
 
Ah now come on 🙂

Jay is returning to his roots - though he became Catholic he was an Eastern Catholic - even if there was no Byzantine Church near him .

Now once more he has felt the pull of the East and is exploring his roots
 
mlouise007 said:
Glory to God! It’s wonderful you took this step, especially for the Liturgies this week.

I feel blest that the Byzantine church I am sometimes able to attend will celebrate Great Week next week. So there’s a bit of oddness celebrating Christ is risen this Saturday night in my home parish, before embarking on Great Week with them. Since I have to travel a distance to the Divine Liturgy with them it’s doubly blest that I’m on spring break next week and have a free calendar. 🙂

When you are with your Latin Rite parish how much you bring in embracing your Eastern roots. Maybe you can encourage others to go with you for some “field trips” to your Byzantine Catholic Church. I frequently put this out to our inquirers and catechumens. None has taken me up on it yet… Our new bishop comes from a diocese with 9 ECCs so I’m looking forward to perhaps a bit higher profile of things Eastern here.

Have you written about your experience with reception into the Catholic Church, which apparently was in a Latin Rite parish? I don’t want to start anything negative. I’m just curious as part of the RCIA team in my parish how it progressed. It seems to frequently not go as it ought. Were you received in registered as an ECC or did they ignore this connection with your Orthodox Baptism and Chrismation?

I don’t know if Upstate NY is too far from Washington to make this plausible but the Orientale Lumen XIII Conference is coming up in Washington, June 15-18. olconference.com/OL_FutCon_OL_XIII I was at the San Diego OLC last year and would dearly love to go to this one.
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I didn’t even NEED to take RCIA. All I needed to do was make a profession of Faith. I did take the RCIA for a refresher. I didn’t even bring anything into RCIA about EO. The lack of solemnity in the Roman Rite parishes drove me back into the Divine Liturgy and I’m glad it did. Female altar servers, sneakers, lack of chanting and incense, hippie bands, lack of church beauty all did me in.
 
dixibehr said:
Blessing the Oil of the Sick and Oil of the Catechumens is done by Priests in the Byzantine Tradition.

Confecting and blessing the Holy Chrism is a function of the Patriarch or equivalent; it’s a very complex recipe and ceremony.
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Have any info about these types of ceremonies? Do EC altars have relics in them or is it just the Antimension? The tabernacle looks like it has salt in it, in the steeple…:confused:
 
top_cat said:
Ah now come on 🙂

Jay is returning to his roots - though he became Catholic he was an Eastern Catholic - even if there was no Byzantine Church near him .

Now once more he has felt the pull of the East and is exploring his roots
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Not quite.

Eastern Orthodox -------> Roman Rite Catholic-----------> Byzantine Catholic (unofficial)
 
I was raised Roman Catholic, but a few months ago I started going to a Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish. The only problem is there is only one divine liturgy every Sunday - at 8:15 a.m. On days where I sleep in I don’t really have a choice but to go to a Novus Ordo Mass 😦
 
jay29 said:
Not quite.

Eastern Orthodox -------> Roman Rite Catholic-----------> Byzantine Catholic (unofficial)
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Corrrection - you were raised Eastern Orthodox - you became Catholic and canonically Eastern , even though you entered through the Latin Church ] and because you were fully initiated into the Eastern Orthodox Church , you were ascribed to the Eastern Catholic Church that was nearest to your Orthodox Church.

This means that you are fully a member of the Byzantne Catholic Church - not unofficial - you are Byaznatine Catholic .

I will not comment on your comment on the Latin Rite Masses that you have made other than to say it shows a sad lack of respect 😦
 
top_cat said:
Corrrection - you were raised Eastern Orthodox - you became Catholic and canonically Eastern , even though you entered through the Latin Church ] and because you were fully initiated into the Eastern Orthodox Church , you were ascribed to the Eastern Catholic Church that was nearest to your Orthodox Church.

This means that you are fully a member of the Byzantne Catholic Church - not unofficial - you are Byaznatine Catholic .
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I am Byzantine Catholic ALREADY? That’s nice to know
I will not comment on your comment on the Latin Rite Masses that you have made other than to say it shows a sad lack of respect 😦
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I’m sorry if it shows disrespect. Liberalism and feminism are destructive in terms of liturgies. They turned me off of the NO.
 
jay29 said:
I am Byzantine Catholic ALREADY? That’s nice to know
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Yes - you have never been Latin Roman ] Catholic.
I’m sorry if it shows disrespect. Liberalism and feminism are destructive in terms of liturgies. They turned me off of the NO.
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They may have done so but you should still show respect
 
I personally like all the different liturgies in the Church, but that’s really cool that you found Divine Liturgy again 🙂 it’s beautiful and as a Catholic I’m glad our Church has it.

btw, if you ever find a “High Mass” in Latin, do try to go, it’s really beautiful and it’s not like “low Mass” 🙂 it’s all sung (Missa Cantata) and they have incense and Gregorian chant and all the rest too. The style is different cause there’s more focus on quiet and reverence, but the East and West are just different in style and both can be beautiful. I love how in the Tridentine Mass everyone kneels for a long time and then kneels to receive the Eucharist.

anyway… good for you! 🙂 that just shows that in being Catholic, we don’t have to leave behind Orthodox liturgy - I’m saying this cause I also went from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.

God bless
 
top_cat said:
Yes - you have never been Latin Roman ] Catholic.
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Not to sound ignorant, but I was received into the Catholic Church through a Roman Rite Parish. Am I a Roman Rite Catholic or a Byzantine Catholic?
 
jay29 said:
Not to sound ignorant, but I was received into the Catholic Church through a Roman Rite Parish. Am I a Roman Rite Catholic or a Byzantine Catholic?
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When one enters the Catholic church, he is free to be aggregated to any sui juris church he chooses, but Eastern Christians are encouraged to choose the Eastern Catholic church that most closely corresponds to the Orthodox or other Eastern Church they come from.
 
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